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Post by allingtonstone on Feb 20, 2019 10:02:42 GMT
Ok , So barring a miricle the most Rose Tinted probably accepts we’re down now . Building for Next Season who would you keep out of our current lot ( assuming we could keep them )
My view 1. WDH. 2. Donnellan 3. McLennan 4.Wishart 5.Phillips 6.Amalzur? 7.Robinson 8 . Turgott. ( unlikely I know ) 9 Lewington
Plus 10. Walton The rest for me is time to say goodbye
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Post by jdh80 on Feb 20, 2019 10:14:26 GMT
I'd like to keep Powell, if we get a decent holding midfielder then i think we could see something special from this lad.
What does worry me is not just in the OP but also from the mouths of many fans is how they all want to keep nigh on all the defenders when we've got the joint worst defensive record in the league.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 10:29:12 GMT
I wonder how many players Woking and Torquay retained from last season...
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Post by porkystone on Feb 20, 2019 10:33:44 GMT
What does worry me is not just in the OP but also from the mouths of many fans is how they all want to keep nigh on all the defenders when we've got the joint worst defensive record in the league. I reckon your defence starts in midfield, so we need to hire some hard tackling, experienced defensive midfielders to give cover & compete in what is probably a more physical NLS. People like ( younger versions of ) Prestege & Lewis. A reliable Keeper would be a good start as well.
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Post by bear5 on Feb 20, 2019 10:37:01 GMT
I think it's a two-way process. Of the entire squad, those who may want to stay, as opposed to those who will fancy their chance of staying in the NL with someone else, would be: Lewington, Swaine, McLennan, Paxman, Muldoon, Walton, Richards, Tajbakhsh, Robinson and Justin Amaluzor (who's under contract for next season anyway).
Whether JS and HH want to keep any of those is, of course, another matter.
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Post by daveu on Feb 20, 2019 10:38:00 GMT
What does worry me is not just in the OP but also from the mouths of many fans is how they all want to keep nigh on all the defenders when we've got the joint worst defensive record in the league. I reckon your defence starts in midfield, so we need to hire some hard tackling, experienced defensive midfielders to give cover & compete in what is probably a more physical NLS. People like ( younger versions of ) Prestege & Lewis. A reliable Keeper would be a good start as well. Maybe Lewington should be our new number 1. Even before he had a save to make there was something about him that inspired confidence.
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Post by porkystone on Feb 20, 2019 10:48:09 GMT
A reliable Keeper would be a good start as well. Maybe Lewington should be our new number 1. Even before he had a save to make there was something about him that inspired confidence. Certainly he was vocal and just gave out confidence. He's had an odd career though, last played regularly ( for Welling ) in 2016 / 17. At 30 years old, has he already given up playing instead to concentrate on coaching ?
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Post by jdh80 on Feb 20, 2019 11:11:28 GMT
I think it's a two-way process. Of the entire squad, those who may want to stay, as opposed to those who will fancy their chance of staying in the NL with someone else, would be: Lewington, Swaine, McLennan, Paxman, Muldoon, Walton, Richards, Tajbakhsh, Robinson and Justin Amaluzor (who's under contract for next season anyway). Whether JS and HH want to keep any of those is, of course, another matter. I agree that it's a two way process and as well as us wanting players to stay, they also have to want to stay. You did however list a player that i fail to see why our fanbase fall about swooning after and thats Paxman, he has one good game in ten and even then that's only where he puts in two decent passes for our forwards rather than his usual poor backpass putting their forward in one on one with our keeper. He's a headless chicken running around demanding the ball with no clue of what's around him, he's got no idea how to read the game and as such puts so much pressure on the rest of the team. Oh but he's a creative player jdh, no creative players find space to enable them to operate where they can control the game, Paxman runs towards his own teammates taking an opponent or two with him demands the ball when he gets five feet from his teammate and then loses the ball.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Feb 20, 2019 11:33:35 GMT
For next year Blair, WDH and Cass would be key, but I cant see any of them staying in NLS when they could be in an NL first team anywhere else, nor do I think Powell, Wishart, Meredith, Donnellan, Davies, Swaine, Taylor or Edebor will stick around in NLS, so I think that we have to write them all off. Lewington as No1 is a must unless we sign a similarly experienced keeper. So, that leaves us with SW, Pax, Ama-new-Lozar and Muldoon - who could all do well in NLS, Romain and Robinson - who could both score in NLS, and MacLennan and Richards, who are NLS at best. So, I think we will only retain 6-9 players for NLS which means that JS and HH have free rein to find those up and coming Bostik Prem and NLS rising starts who would give their right arms to play in Black and Amber. I think we should start that clearing out process as soon as we are out of the FAT, which is all we have got to cheer for now unless Stockport expectedly tonk us by 3 or 4-0 on Saturday.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Feb 20, 2019 11:39:00 GMT
Maybe Lewington should be our new number 1. Even before he had a save to make there was something about him that inspired confidence. Certainly he was vocal and just gave out confidence. He's had an odd career though, last played regularly ( for Welling ) in 2016 / 17. At 30 years old, has he already given up playing instead to concentrate on coaching ? Yes Lewington did look rusty, and a bit reluctant, but like Worgs (Who still had a year or two at NL level left in him, I reckon) I am sure at only 30 he has much more to give and he did inspire confidence when he had saves to make, and therefore must be better than rookies. Poor Dion - I feel sorry for the injury, but it did come due to a calamitously schoolboy bit of goalkeeping where he let their player in and clattered the ball off him (his nuts I think!) which almost went into the net, which if it had have gone in would have been all over YouTube this morning. No more rookie keepers please. Let Lewington use the remaining NL games to get match fit for NLS next year. We need him.
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Post by 1018 on Feb 20, 2019 11:47:09 GMT
For next year Blair, WDH and Cass would be key, but I cant see any of them staying in NLS when they could be in an NL first team anywhere else, nor do I think Powell, Wishart, Meredith, Donnellan, Davies, Swaine, Taylor or Edebor will stick around in NLS, so I think that we have to write them all off. Lewington as No1 is a must unless we sign a similarly experienced keeper. So, that leaves us with SW, Pax, Ama-new-Lozar and Muldoon - who could all do well in NLS, Romain and Robinson - who could both score in NLS, and MacLennan and Richards, who are NLS at best. So, I think we will only retain 6-9 players for NLS which means that JS and HH have free rein to find those up and coming Bostik Prem and NLS rising starts who would give their right arms to play in Black and Amber. I think we should start that clearing out process as soon as we are out of the FAT, which is all we have got to cheer for now unless Stockport expectedly tonk us by 3 or 4-0 on Saturday. I thought that WDH was under contract until the end of next season but I could be wrong. Coker is also contracted for next season. Meredith, Taylor, Davies & Edobor are all loan players so unlikely to be around next season. I don't think that JS/HH rate Swaine as he doesn't even get a place on the bench. I was impressed by Lewington, confident & vocal, so stick with him next season. I wouldn't be surprised if Lewis, Reason & BJT become available at the end of the season and I would be happy to see all three return. Whatever happens there is a lot of rebuilding to be done.
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Post by bear5 on Feb 20, 2019 11:51:29 GMT
I think it's a two-way process. Of the entire squad, those who may want to stay, as opposed to those who will fancy their chance of staying in the NL with someone else, would be: Lewington, Swaine, McLennan, Paxman, Muldoon, Walton, Richards, Tajbakhsh, Robinson and Justin Amaluzor (who's under contract for next season anyway). Whether JS and HH want to keep any of those is, of course, another matter. I agree that it's a two way process and as well as us wanting players to stay, they also have to want to stay. You did however list a player that i fail to see why our fanbase fall about swooning after and thats Paxman, he has one good game in ten and even then that's only where he puts in two decent passes for our forwards rather than his usual poor backpass putting their forward in one on one with our keeper. He's a headless chicken running around demanding the ball with no clue of what's around him, he's got no idea how to read the game and as such puts so much pressure on the rest of the team. Oh but he's a creative player jdh, no creative players find space to enable them to operate where they can control the game, Paxman runs towards his own teammates taking an opponent or two with him demands the ball when he gets five feet from his teammate and then loses the ball. I'm not suggesting that either he or Swaine will be popular with the fans or JS and HH, but essentially I think these are the players who would consider stepping down to the NLS and have less of a chance of being picked up by an NL club.
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Post by 61666 on Feb 20, 2019 11:59:50 GMT
Not so much a matter of who we'd liked to keep, as who would want to stay. Plus, can we still afford the 'full time' model we have at the moment. There is now a real gulf in ability between NL and NLS, largely down to money on offer. However, there is real ability in the NLS and below, in those players like Mills and Flisher who do not want to give up their day jobs. I would rather pay to watch their ilk than the 'so called professional journeymen' any day. Seems we definitely have Walton, Lewington and Amalozor next season and am sure they would prosper in the NLS. Indeed, Lewington (a couple of dodgy kicks aside), looked the most confident of our seven keepers, apart from maybe Smith. At 30, he should only now be approaching his peak as a keeper and could have 5-10 years still in the tank. You'd think JS would want to try and keep those he has brought in, plus WDH, Wishart and maybe McLennan. Cassidy will move on as will Turgott.
Not sure I'd keep any of the rest. They have had their chances and come up short. Plus there is a need to get rid of the negative attitudes that must now permeate the dressing room. As has already been said, you'd think there will be ambitious part timers who would relish the chance of a season or two at the Gallagher. Big crowds, nice facilities. Potentially. First though, we need to learn to play football again and that ain't going to happen this season.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Feb 20, 2019 12:03:10 GMT
For next year Blair, WDH and Cass would be key, but I cant see any of them staying in NLS when they could be in an NL first team anywhere else, nor do I think Powell, Wishart, Meredith, Donnellan, Davies, Swaine, Taylor or Edebor will stick around in NLS, so I think that we have to write them all off. Lewington as No1 is a must unless we sign a similarly experienced keeper. So, that leaves us with SW, Pax, Ama-new-Lozar and Muldoon - who could all do well in NLS, Romain and Robinson - who could both score in NLS, and MacLennan and Richards, who are NLS at best. So, I think we will only retain 6-9 players for NLS which means that JS and HH have free rein to find those up and coming Bostik Prem and NLS rising starts who would give their right arms to play in Black and Amber. I think we should start that clearing out process as soon as we are out of the FAT, which is all we have got to cheer for now unless Stockport expectedly tonk us by 3 or 4-0 on Saturday. I thought that WDH was under contract until the end of next season but I could be wrong. Coker is also contracted for next season. Meredith, Taylor, Davies & Edobor are all loan players so unlikely to be around next season. I don't think that JS/HH rate Swaine as he doesn't even get a place on the bench. I was impressed by Lewington, confident & vocal, so stick with him next season. I wouldn't be surprised if Lewis, Reason & BJT become available at the end of the season and I would be happy to see all three return. Whatever happens there is a lot of rebuilding to be done. Even if WDH is under contract for next year if I was an NL manager I would get him out of contract with us and sign him up. He is just too good for NLS. I don't know why Coker hasn't done well at Dartford in NLS so cant comment - he looked promising for us but maybe the Dealer shattered his confidence when he got rid of him. Not sure if Stu Lewis would be welcome at JWW after his appalling behaviour towards us last Dover visit, and Jai Reason didn't impress me much in NL but could be good in NLS, and BJT is magic - yes yes yes to having him back, we miss a player like him. I would also try to get Lozar and Efete back rather than see them play against us for the Clown!. However, looking to old boys isnt the answer - we need exciting new blood who can play exciting NLS football next year.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Feb 20, 2019 12:10:03 GMT
Not so much a matter of who we'd liked to keep, as who would want to stay. Plus, can we still afford the 'full time' model we have at the moment. There is now a real gulf in ability between NL and NLS, largely down to money on offer. However, there is real ability in the NLS and below, in those players like Mills and Flisher who do not want to give up their day jobs. I would rather pay to watch their ilk than the 'so called professional journeymen' any day. Seems we definitely have Walton, Lewington and Amalozor next season and am sure they would prosper in the NLS. Indeed, Lewington (a couple of dodgy kicks aside), looked the most confident of our seven keepers, apart from maybe Smith. At 30, he should only now be approaching his peak as a keeper and could have 5-10 years still in the tank. You'd think JS would want to try and keep those he has brought in, plus WDH, Wishart and maybe McLennan. Cassidy will move on as will Turgott. Not sure I'd keep any of the rest. They have had their chances and come up short. Plus there is a need to get rid of the negative attitudes that must now permeate the dressing room. As has already been said, you'd think there will be ambitious part timers who would relish the chance of a season or two at the Gallagher. Big crowds, nice facilities. Potentially. First though, we need to learn to play football again and that ain't going to happen this season. Great post. No ones said anything yet about whether we would go part-time again or not. Will we go back to part-time? Is that what JS, HH and even SW are expecting? Are we even really properly full-time now? I agree that after the worst season for years with professional journeymen I'd rather watch ambitious part-timers like the Millsys, Frannies and Flishes who actually enjoy playing. Shame it will be against the kind of teams that are in NLS and no more Wrexhams or Hartlepools or Chesterfields, but at least we may see some good football and actually win at the Gallagher. I think its unanimous on these forums that Lewington needs to be No1. Come on Chris!
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