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Post by Better things to do in life on Jan 18, 2019 11:38:46 GMT
Good idea. We're deep in the poo, the next game is another 32 pointer. Let's play an inexperienced youngster in goal. What could, etc, etc... Sigh! But they are BOTH inexperienced! that's the poo we are already in in because HW let Worgs go without getting a quality permanent successor and now we cant get an experienced keeper as we have relegation written all over us and, apparently not enough money to keep good players like Cass and Shield, so no chance of getting a good NL keeper. Have you seen the four Maidenhead goals? Playing Ethan against Daggers IS playing an inexperienced youngster in goal, for goodness sake, I'm just suggesting we try the OTHER inexperienced youngster given that the first inexperienced youngster let in four bad goals last game against an average to poor NL side............now he's up against an stronger NL side, how many may he let in on Saturday? We have to face it that all of our team selection options right now are more about trying to pick the best of an inferior bunch to what we would really want to have in the squad, but it is what it is, and we have to look at all options.
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Post by maxthestone on Jan 18, 2019 11:43:02 GMT
Is Bill friendly with Mark Beeney? bring in mitchell beeney if we can transfer listed by sligo rovers
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Post by Better things to do in life on Jan 18, 2019 11:46:42 GMT
Is Bill friendly with Mark Beeney? bring in mitchell beeney if we can transfer listed by sligo rovers Great idea - get him in until the end of the season - but how much money would he want?
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Post by Better things to do in life on Jan 18, 2019 11:51:06 GMT
bring in mitchell beeney if we can transfer listed by sligo rovers Great idea - get him in until the end of the season - but how much money would he want?
Is he really six foot six? that sounds promising already. Plus his Dad was a Stones legend. When is he signing?
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Post by sword65 on Jan 18, 2019 12:06:12 GMT
Great idea - get him in until the end of the season - but how much money would he want?
Is he really six foot six? that sounds promising already. Plus his Dad was a Stones legend. When is he signing? You should have met his grandfather Bill Beaney now there was a legend though nothing to do with football . Everyone was scared of Bill.
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Post by wolvesstone on Jan 18, 2019 23:29:27 GMT
Spot on. Maybe we get poor results at home consistently, but we also escape relegation consistently. The team change above looks good. Well, I guess two out of just two is "consistently". Except that we weren't in any danger at all of relegation in our first season, and were never actually in the relegation zone even in our 2nd. Yes, it is consistent. We escaped relegation both seasons. We don't need to be in the relegation zone to escape relegation. This season is just a bit different in that way. At least we can look forward to an exciting relegation struggle for the rest of the season, as opposed to mediocrity in mid table, going nowhere. We're all feeling a bit low so we have to look up and I think that helps the club.
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Post by Raymondo316 on Jan 19, 2019 0:48:41 GMT
Well, I guess two out of just two is "consistently". Except that we weren't in any danger at all of relegation in our first season, and were never actually in the relegation zone even in our 2nd. Yes, it is consistent. We escaped relegation both seasons. We don't need to be in the relegation zone to escape relegation. This season is just a bit different in that way. At least we can look forward to an exciting relegation struggle for the rest of the season, as opposed to mediocrity in mid table, going nowhere. We're all feeling a bit low so we have to look up and I think that helps the club. Id take mid table mediocrity over any of the last 3 seasons!! relegation battles are exciting?? I tell you what I haven't found them enjoyable whatsoever. Give me plodding along with no risk of relegation or promotion over this.
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Post by jdl on Jan 19, 2019 2:46:06 GMT
Yes, it is consistent. We escaped relegation both seasons. We don't need to be in the relegation zone to escape relegation. This season is just a bit different in that way. At least we can look forward to an exciting relegation struggle for the rest of the season, as opposed to mediocrity in mid table, going nowhere. We're all feeling a bit low so we have to look up and I think that helps the club. Id take mid table mediocrity over any of the last 3 seasons!! relegation battles are exciting?? I tell you what I haven't found them enjoyable whatsoever. Give me plodding along with no risk of relegation or promotion over this. We were never in a relegation battle in our first season, or even close to it - we started well, had the traditional mid-season dip and then finished very strongly - missing a top half finish only on goal difference. The second season was a lot closer, but only because we lost (and couldn't replace) Pigott and Hines. Before we lost them we got up to 5th (how unlikely does that seem now?), and we actually finished only one win away from our first season position. We went 17 games without a win, and dropped from play-offs to 19th - and yet still didn't go down. Our problem isn't poor performance (or, at least, it wasn't), it is unrealistic expectations. We found ourselves in a very hard league, where teams with moderate resources don't tend to do well, and where most don't last more than two or three seasons, but, because we had done so well up to then, we expected that to continue. Jay paid a big price for that, and we continue to pay the price. A couple of moderately successful seasons in the NL, relegation back to the NS, and then promotion back to the NL a season or two later, is pretty much what you would expect for a club with our resources. If that is what happens, and we do get back up again, hopefully we'll have learnt our lesson and we'll prepare better and have more realistic expectations. Getting anywhere in the NL, without a sugar daddy, or ex-EFL gates and infrastructure, is a marathon, not a sprint. The days of the old Conference are history.
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Post by Raymondo316 on Jan 19, 2019 3:24:48 GMT
Id take mid table mediocrity over any of the last 3 seasons!! relegation battles are exciting?? I tell you what I haven't found them enjoyable whatsoever. Give me plodding along with no risk of relegation or promotion over this. We were never in a relegation battle in our first season, or even close to it - we started well, had the traditional mid-season dip and then finished very strongly - missing a top half finish only on goal difference. The second season was a lot closer, but only because we lost (and couldn't replace) Pigott and Hines. Before we lost them we got up to 5th (how unlikely does that seem now?), and we actually finished only one win away from our first season position. We went 17 games without a win, and dropped from play-offs to 19th - and yet still didn't go down. Our problem isn't poor performance (or, at least, it wasn't), it is unrealistic expectations. We found ourselves in a very hard league, where teams with moderate resources don't tend to do well, and where most don't last more than two or three seasons, but, because we had done so well up to then, we expected that to continue. Jay paid a big price for that, and we continue to pay the price. A couple of moderately successful seasons in the NL, relegation back to the NS, and then promotion back to the NL a season or two later, is pretty much what you would expect for a club with our resources. If that is what happens, and we do get back up again, hopefully we'll have learnt our lesson and we'll prepare better and have more realistic expectations. Getting anywhere in the NL, without a sugar daddy, or ex-EFL gates and infrastructure, is a marathon, not a sprint. The days of the old Conference are history. We certainly was in a relegation battle in that first season, Heck we weren't even mathematically safe till 2 weeks from the end of the season. Check it out for yourself on this website, you can see past league tables on whatever day you want www.footstats.co.uk/index.cfm?task=league_fullMuch of January, February and March we were in the relegation zone or just outside it.....that's a relegation battle to me.
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Post by Bernie on Jan 19, 2019 7:07:10 GMT
Great link.
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Post by Nick on Jan 19, 2019 8:14:01 GMT
Id take mid table mediocrity over any of the last 3 seasons!! relegation battles are exciting?? I tell you what I haven't found them enjoyable whatsoever. Give me plodding along with no risk of relegation or promotion over this. We were never in a relegation battle in our first season, or even close to it - we started well, had the traditional mid-season dip and then finished very strongly - missing a top half finish only on goal difference. The second season was a lot closer, but only because we lost (and couldn't replace) Pigott and Hines. Before we lost them we got up to 5th (how unlikely does that seem now?), and we actually finished only one win away from our first season position. We went 17 games without a win, and dropped from play-offs to 19th - and yet still didn't go down. Our problem isn't poor performance (or, at least, it wasn't), it is unrealistic expectations. We found ourselves in a very hard league, where teams with moderate resources don't tend to do well, and where most don't last more than two or three seasons, but, because we had done so well up to then, we expected that to continue. Jay paid a big price for that, and we continue to pay the price. A couple of moderately successful seasons in the NL, relegation back to the NS, and then promotion back to the NL a season or two later, is pretty much what you would expect for a club with our resources. If that is what happens, and we do get back up again, hopefully we'll have learnt our lesson and we'll prepare better and have more realistic expectations. Getting anywhere in the NL, without a sugar daddy, or ex-EFL gates and infrastructure, is a marathon, not a sprint. The days of the old Conference are history. Jay paid a big price for that ? I'm only guessing, but I think that he paid the price for very nearly forsaking the club, for another, just before the season was to start. Couldn't have been a worse time to do it from the club's perspective. Its called 'dropping us in the cart'. OK, he didn't go in the end but probably for personal reasons rather than any sense of loyalty to the club. Pretty sure it was this turn of events that soured relationships with the owners that eventually led to his mutual consent departure. Disappointing but understandable
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Post by steveh21 on Jan 19, 2019 8:24:59 GMT
Still not a reason not to sit down, clear the air and re-set, especially if we go down.
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Post by 61666 on Jan 19, 2019 8:45:44 GMT
Good to hear on the Friday interview that Simon Walton is not hanging his boots up yet. The he reason for him not playing is too much other stuff to do - something as a player he simply hadn't been aware of. That's how it is when you start moving into management. You think you know how to do it and you may well have the talent, but what you don't realise is how much 'stuff' goes with the job - including having to think about what you are going to say on the Friday interview and then worry about folk unpicking it afterwards. What both T&S need is a mentor, somebody with leadership/management experience to support them. In house, we have Bill, but often it is better to find a third party, to bring a fresh perspective. Otherwise it can be can't see the wood for the trees. Trouble is, finding someone out there who can fill such a role, without costing big bucks. Unlikely another club at our level or above is going to help out, but someone recently retired, looking for a couple of days a week? Sitting in the big chair can be lonely too, so can only hope S&T have a network of support they can lean on, away from the job. Dagenham, Orient, Fylde, etc. No easy games anywhere now.
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Post by daveu on Jan 19, 2019 9:24:49 GMT
Well, I guess two out of just two is "consistently". Except that we weren't in any danger at all of relegation in our first season, and were never actually in the relegation zone even in our 2nd. Yes, it is consistent. We escaped relegation both seasons. We don't need to be in the relegation zone to escape relegation. This season is just a bit different in that way. At least we can look forward to an exciting relegation struggle for the rest of the season, as opposed to mediocrity in mid table, going nowhere. We're all feeling a bit low so we have to look up and I think that helps the club. Personally I'd rather mid table mediocrity any day. And of course you don't need to escape relegation when you're never in the relegation zone. You can't escape something you're never in. You can avoid it.
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Post by butlerisalegend on Jan 19, 2019 10:35:03 GMT
We were never in a relegation battle in our first season, or even close to it - we started well, had the traditional mid-season dip and then finished very strongly - missing a top half finish only on goal difference. The second season was a lot closer, but only because we lost (and couldn't replace) Pigott and Hines. Before we lost them we got up to 5th (how unlikely does that seem now?), and we actually finished only one win away from our first season position. We went 17 games without a win, and dropped from play-offs to 19th - and yet still didn't go down. Our problem isn't poor performance (or, at least, it wasn't), it is unrealistic expectations. We found ourselves in a very hard league, where teams with moderate resources don't tend to do well, and where most don't last more than two or three seasons, but, because we had done so well up to then, we expected that to continue. Jay paid a big price for that, and we continue to pay the price. A couple of moderately successful seasons in the NL, relegation back to the NS, and then promotion back to the NL a season or two later, is pretty much what you would expect for a club with our resources. If that is what happens, and we do get back up again, hopefully we'll have learnt our lesson and we'll prepare better and have more realistic expectations. Getting anywhere in the NL, without a sugar daddy, or ex-EFL gates and infrastructure, is a marathon, not a sprint. The days of the old Conference are history. Jay paid a big price for that ? I'm only guessing, but I think that he paid the price for very nearly forsaking the club, for another, just before the season was to start. Couldn't have been a worse time to do it from the club's perspective. Its called 'dropping us in the cart'. OK, he didn't go in the end but probably for personal reasons rather than any sense of loyalty to the club. Pretty sure it was this turn of events that soured relationships with the owners that eventually led to his mutual consent departure. Disappointing but understandable Why should Jay contemplating an FL job sour relations 🤷🏼♂️ They always said what an ambitious manager he was. He is well within his rights to accept that job. If the owners couldn’t handle that then quite frankly is a little pathetic.
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