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Post by pwoodstone on Jan 6, 2019 21:34:48 GMT
I’m pleased with the duo so far but also wary that I was pretty optimistic when Harry took over.
Do we stick with these 2 or get the experienced manager most seemed to want a few weeks back?
Tricky. The board have a tough decision here.
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Post by shamstone on Jan 6, 2019 21:50:57 GMT
2 wins outof 3 ain’t bad. That’s play off material
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Post by Nick on Jan 6, 2019 22:07:23 GMT
I’m pleased with the duo so far but also wary that I was pretty optimistic when Harry took over. Do we stick with these 2 or get the experienced manager most seemed to want a few weeks back? Tricky. The board have a tough decision here. You mean that experienced manager that was sacked quite a while ago for losing lots of matches and has not attracted the interest of any other club in the meantime.
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Post by toonarmy on Jan 6, 2019 22:23:01 GMT
I’m pleased with the duo so far but also wary that I was pretty optimistic when Harry took over. Do we stick with these 2 or get the experienced manager most seemed to want a few weeks back? Tricky. The board have a tough decision here. You mean that experienced manager that was sacked quite a while ago for losing lots of matches and has not attracted the interest of any other club in the meantime. If that’s a slight barb against Jay, maybe if you knew what was going on you would keep your silly comments like this to yourself
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Post by pwoodstone on Jan 6, 2019 22:36:48 GMT
I’m pleased with the duo so far but also wary that I was pretty optimistic when Harry took over. Do we stick with these 2 or get the experienced manager most seemed to want a few weeks back? Tricky. The board have a tough decision here. You mean that experienced manager that was sacked quite a while ago for losing lots of matches and has not attracted the interest of any other club in the meantime. Some people can’t help themselves..... No I meant people were clamouring for an experienced manager at this level. These two aren’t that, despite the great job they seem to be doing . Was just a question to see if people have shifted their opinions
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Post by jdl on Jan 6, 2019 23:16:12 GMT
I'll get hassle for this, but I'd still have Jay back, it T&S doesn't work out.
Never going to hapen, though, I know that - too many bridges carelesssly burnt. But he gave us great ride up the leagues and kept us in the NL for two seasons - very much against the odds.
In fact, he did more than that. Many people seem to have a strangely negative memory of the last two seasons, but the facts tell a better story. The first season started very well (we were 11th after 12 games), and, when it did go wrong, Jay rebuilt the side, and an unbeaten run of 9 games (6 wins, 3 draws) gave us a 14th place finish - only one point, or GD away from 11th - surely an excellent finish for a first season?
And our second season started even better, by mid-November we were 5th, with 32 points from 18 games. Losing Piggott and Hines hit us badly, and we had the infamous 17 games winless run, but, even with that, we never fell lower than 18th, and once again Jay rebuilt the team and kept us up. And, although we finished at 19th, it was pretty close - just one more point would have put us up to 16th, and a single extra win would have seen us finish at 14th - the same as our first season.
I'm not denying that the lack of transfer activity over the last summer wasn't worrying, and that some of Jay's buys were less than impressive, but we don't really know what was going on behind the scenes, and it looks likely that something was. And the speed with which he was sacked, after just 8 games, might indicate that he was already on a yellow before the season started.
But I still think that Jay could have rebuilt the team and pulled us up, and probably given us another lower mid-table finish - not wonderful, but probably pretty much all we can expect in this league as things stand. And I'm pretty certain he would have done better than Harry and we wouldn't be starting the New Year at 23rd.
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Post by exiled on Jan 7, 2019 0:02:22 GMT
I'll get hassle for this, but I'd still have Jay back, it T&S doesn't work out. Never going to hapen, though, I know that - too many bridges carelesssly burnt. But he gave us great ride up the leagues and kept us in the NL for two seasons - very much against the odds. In fact, he did more than that. Many people seem to have a strangely negative memory of the last two seasons, but the facts tell a better story. The first season started very well (we were 11th after 12 games), and, when it did go wrong, Jay rebuilt the side, and an unbeaten run of 9 games (6 wins, 3 draws) gave us a 14th place finish - only one point, or GD away from 11th - surely an excellent finish for a first season? And our second season started even better, by mid-November we were 5th, with 32 points from 18 games. Losing Piggott and Hines hit us badly, and we had the infamous 17 games winless run, but, even with that, we never fell lower than 18th, and once again Jay rebuilt the team and kept us up. And, although we finished at 19th, it was pretty close - just one more point would have put us up to 16th, and a single extra win would have seen us finish at 14th - the same as our first season. I'm not denying that the lack of transfer activity over the last summer wasn't worrying, and that some of Jay's buys were less than impressive, but we don't really know what was going on behind the scenes, and it looks likely that something was. And the speed with which he was sacked, after just 8 games, might indicate that he was already on a yellow before the season started. But I still think that Jay could have rebuilt the team and pulled us up, and probably given us another lower mid-table finish - not wonderful, but probably pretty much all we can expect in this league as things stand. And I'm pretty certain he would have done better than Harry and we wouldn't be starting the New Year at 23rd. Just simply far too much water gone the bridge you only have to look at Triston's partners Facebook message contained on another thread re the academy to understand why
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Post by shamstone on Jan 7, 2019 5:51:33 GMT
I can’t believe it’s 2019 and we’re still talking about ‘ You Know Who’
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Post by jdh80 on Jan 7, 2019 6:25:27 GMT
Well if you look at it again you will see a huge turnaround in positivity. Loads of support for Tristan and his partner. In a perverse way 'dave' may have done TL a favour. I was astonished at the shit and venom - not to mention the appalling English - on there. I felt dirty just for looking at it. This forum is a haven of tranquillity and sanity compared to that place. Even with nws. You were astonished by the shit and venom. What about the shit you spouted recently when you claimed that Robinson was nothing more than a Ryman level striker, thankfully raymondo highlighted your lack of knowledge/homework on Robinson when he showed jakes playing record. Even after that you still couldn't help yourself having another pop at Robinson saying you didn't hear him doing anything second half v Hartlepool, maybe if you would have been there you would have seen him not giving the Hartlepool defence any time on the ball pressuring them and chasing them down leading from the front, forcing them to do what many criticised our defence for doing a while back and that was aimless punts upfield. There isn't much difference between here and the Facebook group, that group has a mainly younger generation posting who seem to think that as they were good at championship manager that they know what they are talking about, whereas on here the posters seem more mature and think that as they have been watching football for years that they know the game inside out when in all honesty they don't. To me both groups are full of shit just different ways of putting it, at least on here we get a laugh from sword. As for Tristan and Simon, a lot of people have been saying they talk a good game and are saying the right things but let's look at their actions. - instilled confidence back into the players getting the players happy and playing to their strengths - got the players playing a hybrid style of good football with some long balls to mix it up. - they have started to get the players and fans back on the same page, with the players coming over to the fans and thanking them for the support before, during and after games. - watching them during the games they seem to have the right mix between man-management of players and tactical nouse Under previous regimes we would not have acted quickly enough on Saturday and would've been down to ten men but tl and sw saw this and brought on Jarvis very quickly. - we even had the players taking the ball into the corner to run the time down win a few throw ins etc, it's little things like that which are standing out. Are Tristan and Simon the answer to our managerial problem, i dont know but so far there actions are showing me that they can get us out of this and I'd like to see them given the chance to prove this as i believe that they are our best hope for achieving survival.
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Post by russc on Jan 7, 2019 9:53:02 GMT
I'll get hassle for this, but I'd still have Jay back, it T&S doesn't work out. Never going to hapen, though, I know that - too many bridges carelesssly burnt. But he gave us great ride up the leagues and kept us in the NL for two seasons - very much against the odds. In fact, he did more than that. Many people seem to have a strangely negative memory of the last two seasons, but the facts tell a better story. The first season started very well (we were 11th after 12 games), and, when it did go wrong, Jay rebuilt the side, and an unbeaten run of 9 games (6 wins, 3 draws) gave us a 14th place finish - only one point, or GD away from 11th - surely an excellent finish for a first season? And our second season started even better, by mid-November we were 5th, with 32 points from 18 games. Losing Piggott and Hines hit us badly, and we had the infamous 17 games winless run, but, even with that, we never fell lower than 18th, and once again Jay rebuilt the team and kept us up. And, although we finished at 19th, it was pretty close - just one more point would have put us up to 16th, and a single extra win would have seen us finish at 14th - the same as our first season. I'm not denying that the lack of transfer activity over the last summer wasn't worrying, and that some of Jay's buys were less than impressive, but we don't really know what was going on behind the scenes, and it looks likely that something was. And the speed with which he was sacked, after just 8 games, might indicate that he was already on a yellow before the season started. But I still think that Jay could have rebuilt the team and pulled us up, and probably given us another lower mid-table finish - not wonderful, but probably pretty much all we can expect in this league as things stand. And I'm pretty certain he would have done better than Harry and we wouldn't be starting the New Year at 23rd. Just simply far too much water gone the bridge you only have to look at Triston's partners Facebook message contained on another thread re the academy to understand why I know it's not very clear, but the comments in the Facebook post are about the Welling academy, not ours.
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Post by Nick on Jan 7, 2019 10:09:58 GMT
Silly comments toonarmy ? You jumps in a bit quick. I make a general reference to the 'availability' to the club of experienced managers, who pretty much without exception will have been sacked from their previous club following a run of poor results. You immediately think the link is to he who must not be named. Well it wasn't for your information, although as you suggest he probably unfortunately fits the description. The fact is that in January 2019 the only experienced managers available to Stones are those who have failed in their previous job and for one reason or another have not been head hunted. In other words I think we are better off sticking with Simon and Tristan (not a slight against JS).
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Post by Better things to do in life on Jan 7, 2019 12:14:07 GMT
Great post Nick. I cannot see how the owners have any real options in tomorrows supposed meeting to discuss the Managers job when the only available managers are those who have recently been sacked for poor results or would be a complete gamble, or both. We MUST stick with TL and SW. Even if they fail to keep us up, we will have a new list of manager candidates for next year with a clear brief - i.e. get us back out of NLS. Hopefully we wont be in that position and the real decision will be having saved us from the drop, are TL and SW good enough to take us higher next season. But that's a long way off. Step at a time, which is appoint TL and SW until the end of this season.
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Post by pwoodstone on Jan 7, 2019 12:28:44 GMT
I can’t believe it’s 2019 and we’re still talking about ‘ You Know Who’ Voldermort?
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Post by exiled on Jan 7, 2019 17:27:50 GMT
Just simply far too much water gone the bridge you only have to look at Triston's partners Facebook message contained on another thread re the academy to understand why I know it's not very clear, but the comments in the Facebook post are about the Welling academy, not ours. Maybe but our academy is the centre of a dispute between Saunders and the owners which is still ongoing
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Post by Better things to do in life on Jan 7, 2019 17:29:51 GMT
Huh? What dispute? Are we talking Welling or Stones? And by Saunders do you mean JS? Please explain!
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