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Post by exiled on Feb 17, 2018 20:53:23 GMT
Jay Saunders sounded pretty depressed today in his post match interview again there was a disappointing team performance with players at both ends of the pitch not doing the business trouble is in a way his review of the match sounds just like the thoughts of a lot of supporters, including me ! very difficult to disagree with his summing up, he's a very honest guy who rarely goes ott no kidology, no chocolate box phrases, no promises that things will get better next Tuesday but disappointing to hear some voices on the forum calling for the owners to sack the manager in my book Jay has shedloads of credit in terms of what he has achieved season after season and as soon as we hit a sticky patch then the answer according to some fans is "off with his head" madness ! pretty sure that supporters outside of this forum are keeping the faith and rightly so happily I also have a lot of confidence in the integrity and common sense of the club owners [/ Jay has been happy to take plaudits when things been going and tbf most managers could not fail to get out of ryman league on 2000 crowds the art of a good managers is to sort things out when things go badly but sadly yet to see much evidence that he can turn it around. |
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Post by stonesforlife on Feb 17, 2018 20:57:58 GMT
He shouldn't be sacked, my comment was if he was at any other club, he wouldn't be manager now, let's hope we can get enough points to kick on, and stay in this league.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 21:11:19 GMT
What about Taylor and Butler, that could work, Pmsl |
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Post by ronaldostone on Feb 17, 2018 21:22:24 GMT
So come on then all you lot saying sack him, just look around at who,s available to step into the club.. So many plastics out there. We need to fully support Jay at least until the end of this season. Yes about 2200 today who walked without giving the team a second glance in front of the owners. As to who is available don’t under estimate the club and it’s attractiveness. Jay deserves his chance to turn this around but even he knows it comes with expectations. |
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Post by softlad on Feb 17, 2018 21:37:57 GMT
I haven't been to many games this season, sadly I don't have much spare cash any more but I was there and by the dug outs today. Today wasn't great, but then Barrow made it that way. I wouldn't always play the way Jay does but then I figure that a man who has achieved 3 promotions deserves to do it his way. Today I was pleased he played Paxman. Often I think he wouldn't have played him in this sort of game. To all those bemoaning tactics today and substitutions, perhaps you could explain what you'd have done different. I had a very good view of our defence in the first half and it is clear that our 2 CBs don't operate as a pair. Often one is stepping up when the other is dropping. We have suffered with injuries here and Jay has signed players but he needs time to gel them. We had two new players in offensive positions today and they need time to work together. There were some bright moments that hint at better things to come but it's not easy when the crowd gets on your back every time a through ball is cut out.
To all the idiots who talk about pride in the shirt, I didn't see anyone today not putting in a shift. Everyone's body language is different but the players are trying.
We ended up 2 on 2 for their goal and Magnus ended up unsure whether to close down or drop and became square on and did neither. After that, Barrow defended the box heroically and went down as if shot of our players went near them. Their CBs were tall and they had pace.
We tried working it down the wings but the final ball was often awry and they got bodies in the box. If we went long they cleared it. If we tried to dribble, they shut us down. If we tried to play little one twos they crowded us out.
The one thing I could say is that Paxman often makes runs and pulls defenders and wants it in to feet so he can roll them or flick into space vacated but we don't play it to him.
From my position today I could hear the instructions from the bench and there were lots of adjustments through the game. I think some people expect miracles.
Burnley let Sean Dyche take them up, get relagated and take them up again and they're better for it. Lee Johnson had a similar run to this at Bristol City last season and now look at them. Surely Jay has won the right to sort this out.
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Post by stewart on Feb 17, 2018 21:41:55 GMT
So come on then all you lot saying sack him, just look around at who,s available to step into the club.. Sure we could get John Still from Dagenham at mo sorry but players didn't seem to want to play for Saunders today any one who thinks we are not in trouble are seriously deluded Andy Ford, That should guarentee relegation |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 21:47:28 GMT
Yeah he is shit isn’t he. 3 promotions in 4 years was pure luck. It is embarrassing that the 1st sign of trouble then people’s answer is to sack the manager. Hasn’t his previous years performance earned him a bit more loyalty from us so called fans? Are we really that big time that we want to emulate the hire and fire approach of premier league? How thoroughly depressing. He's done amazing things for the club. As you say 3 promotions as well as overseeing the most financially stable we've been in for quite some time. Bringing the Stones home and building one of the best support bases in non league is all down to the success we had on the pitch. The problem is he's out of his depth now. This level highlights his inexperience and it's painful to watch. I'd assume Nicky Southall would be there to lend his experience but he looks as clueless to finding a solution as Jay does. Last season he got new personnel in via loans and it worked for us. This year the slump is worse and he's attempting to do the same thing. This is the plan for the next 2 - 3 seasons? When things go bad just get new loan players in? His tactics are Ryman level (possibly National South), this is holding us back and is the biggest cause of concern for me going forwards. If we don't win with hoof ball tactics, then we don't win at all. As a Jay supporter, I don't want to agree with this, but I'm afraid to say, there's a lot in what sdg says. |
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Post by spurstone on Feb 17, 2018 22:08:30 GMT
He's done amazing things for the club. As you say 3 promotions as well as overseeing the most financially stable we've been in for quite some time. Bringing the Stones home and building one of the best support bases in non league is all down to the success we had on the pitch. The problem is he's out of his depth now. This level highlights his inexperience and it's painful to watch. I'd assume Nicky Southall would be there to lend his experience but he looks as clueless to finding a solution as Jay does. Last season he got new personnel in via loans and it worked for us. This year the slump is worse and he's attempting to do the same thing. This is the plan for the next 2 - 3 seasons? When things go bad just get new loan players in? His tactics are Ryman level (possibly National South), this is holding us back and is the biggest cause of concern for me going forwards. If we don't win with hoof ball tactics, then we don't win at all. As a Jay supporter, I don't want to agree with this, but I'm afraid to say, there's a lot in what sdg says. It's time. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 22:13:09 GMT
So come on then all you lot saying sack him, just look around at who,s available to step into the club.. There's a bloke at Margate called Steve Watt who won his seventh match in a row today... This is certainly a watershed moment in Jay's career - the first time he's really been under pressure. He has always been a 'people person' and that personality has brought good players to the club in past seasons, which has helped us get to where we are. Unfortunately, Jay has never been a tactical genius and I do agree that he has a very small catalogue of tactical ideas. I remember stating on this forum a season or two ago that he wouldn't be entirely tested as a manager until we reached a level where we were no longer the big boys - obviously we've reached that point. I think it was mentioned as we headed towards getting out of the National South due to having a defence tighter than a duck's backside, and despite using a forward line that couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo. We looked tactically deficient that season despite our promotion and I was a bit worried. Last season, Jay conjured up some great loan signings that got us out of a hole but this time round, instead of being a poor team getting better, we look like a decent team on the slide. This is a far different challenge than he has had before. Should he go? I'm a bit undecided. I certainly wouldn't let him go unless I was convinced we had a good manager to take over. Steve Watt is doing a great job at Gate and he has experience of playing at this level and above, so he would be the obvious choice perhaps but beyond him I'd struggle to think of anyone I would want to approach at the present time. |
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Post by ronaldostone on Feb 17, 2018 22:36:34 GMT
I haven't been to many games this season, sadly I don't have much spare cash any more but I was there and by the dug outs today. Today wasn't great, but then Barrow made it that way. I wouldn't always play the way Jay does but then I figure that a man who has achieved 3 promotions deserves to do it his way. Today I was pleased he played Paxman. Often I think he wouldn't have played him in this sort of game. To all those bemoaning tactics today and substitutions, perhaps you could explain what you'd have done different. I had a very good view of our defence in the first half and it is clear that our 2 CBs don't operate as a pair. Often one is stepping up when the other is dropping. We have suffered with injuries here and Jay has signed players but he needs time to gel them. We had two new players in offensive positions today and they need time to work together. There were some bright moments that hint at better things to come but it's not easy when the crowd gets on your back every time a through ball is cut out. To all the idiots who talk about pride in the shirt, I didn't see anyone today not putting in a shift. Everyone's body language is different but the players are trying. We ended up 2 on 2 for their goal and Magnus ended up unsure whether to close down or drop and became square on and did neither. After that, Barrow defended the box heroically and went down as if shot of our players went near them. Their CBs were tall and they had pace. We tried working it down the wings but the final ball was often awry and they got bodies in the box. If we went long they cleared it. If we tried to dribble, they shut us down. If we tried to play little one twos they crowded us out. The one thing I could say is that Paxman often makes runs and pulls defenders and wants it in to feet so he can roll them or flick into space vacated but we don't play it to him. From my position today I could hear the instructions from the bench and there were lots of adjustments through the game. I think some people expect miracles. Burnley let Sean Dyche take them up, get relagated and take them up again and they're better for it. Lee Johnson had a similar run to this at Bristol City last season and now look at them. Surely Jay has won the right to sort this out. was the sun in your eyes over there ? was that the bright moment you saw? we never even made the keeper make a save, we dont expect miracles but we need one to stop this slump. Your match summation sounds like Jay has even less of a clue in being able to change/read a game at the moment. |
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Post by softlad on Feb 17, 2018 22:53:59 GMT
Funny should mention that. We deliberately chose our position today to avoid the sun. There were plenty of bright moments of interplay between Paxman and Turgott and Paxman and Loza. Some of Lafayette's hold up play was excellent. For large parts of the game we dominated and moved the ball around. Saunders repeatedly asked them tto move the ball quicker to drag Barrow players about but it's hard against a team set up like that. Lewis showed drive in midfield.
This is not an easy league and contrary to the pant wetting bleating a of some, we have no divine right to be in it. We have a small budget and a high ratio of loan players.
It's hard enough having to build a new team every season. Saunders is having to build a new team every three months. If you don't understand that players need time to learn to play together, then I can't help you I'm afraid.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 23:28:20 GMT
[quote author=" softlad" source="/post/148903/thread" timestamp="1518908039" It's hard enough having to build a new team every season. Saunders is having to build a new team every three months. If you don't understand that players need time to learn to play together, then I can't help you I'm afraid. [/quote] That's a fair point as I seem to remember it taking a couple of games after getting the loan players last season for results to start going our way. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 23:37:56 GMT
Not surprised this has already gone well into four pages.
Personally, I really like JS for his honesty and integrity, BUT (and there always is one), the lack of hope and expectation has become critical. Nobody expects to win at the moment, least of all the manager it seems, listening to the post match interview. The ideas really have run out. Surely, it is not rocket science to change a few things when stuff is not going well. The standard time for that in any match is around the hour mark. We so rarely see that here.
I think folk would accept the poor form if they could feel management were more proactive, but it just doesn't come across like that.
What support is Jay getting from his management team? Obvious that Bill will always be there for him, but what is Nicky Southall offering? Hard to say, I suppose, but if Jay went, would you want to leave the club with NS on current form?
We are close to being the total whipping boys in this league and the season is just dribbling away. The only way out at the moment is we somehow play somebody having a really bad day and scrape a win, which kick starts a revival. Otherwise, there is little to excite and that is the most disappointing thing of all.
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Post by ronaldostone on Feb 17, 2018 23:57:25 GMT
Funny should mention that. We deliberately chose our position today to avoid the sun. There were plenty of bright moments of interplay between Paxman and Turgott and Paxman and Loza. Some of Lafayette's hold up play was excellent. For large parts of the game we dominated and moved the ball around. Saunders repeatedly asked them tto move the ball quicker to drag Barrow players about but it's hard against a team set up like that. Lewis showed drive in midfield. This is not an easy league and contrary to the pant wetting bleating a of some, we have no divine right to be in it. We have a small budget and a high ratio of loan players. It's hard enough having to build a new team every season. Saunders is having to build a new team every three months. If you don't understand that players need time to learn to play together, then I can't help you I'm afraid. dominated yet failed to get a shot on target. We could of lost that by at least another goal if not for Worgs, we were shit and the manager said all but that in his interview |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 0:01:24 GMT
Careful, you'll upset the old guard! It doesn't upset us, HS. We remember when it was truly bad. |
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