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Post by Bernie on Oct 8, 2022 19:30:06 GMT
At least we only conceded one goal. Wrexham 7 Barnet 5 sounds insane. Barnet have conceded 20 goals in four games.
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Post by sword65 on Oct 8, 2022 22:57:22 GMT
Wonder if anyone predicted Wrexham 7, Barnet 5? Sword probably had a fiver on it... Alas not😪
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Post by Bernie on Oct 9, 2022 4:03:56 GMT
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Post by 61666 on Oct 9, 2022 8:00:13 GMT
Terrible defending, but some absolute screamers too.
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Post by jdl on Oct 9, 2022 21:36:00 GMT
Bizarre game all round - Wrexham took an early lead, Barnet equalised after nearly half an hour, then went 2-1 up 3 minutes later - only for Wrexhan to equalise 4 minutes after that, and then take the lead almost immediately.
3-2 at half-time, so Barnet must have thought they had a decent chance - especially when they equalised again after just 6 minutes.
But then Wrexham score FOUR goals in just 11 minutes! And if that wasn't weird enough, Barnet manage to get two back before the end of the game.
Reminds me of that weird Irish game where one side realised half way through that they actually needed to lose the game to win the competition (I can't remember how that worked!) and started trying to score in their own goal - only for the other side to cotton on and start trying to lose the game as well! (I'm not making this up.)
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Post by jdl on Oct 10, 2022 12:15:19 GMT
Looking at the L2 table (and disappointed to find Gills not in the relegation zone!), I was struck by how many L2 teams had been in the NL at some point in their history. The answer is nearly all of them - only 7 have never played in the NL - Northampton, Bradford, Swindon, Crewe, Walsall, Gills (yet) and Rochdale (possibly next season!). Of the other 17, 7 are ex-nonleague, and 10 have dropped down to the NL for at least one season.
Just goes to show how much the introduction of automatic promotion in 87 has changed lower league football. Senior football in England and Wales is now a five division system in everything except name.
And, from the NL perspective, the league/division currently includes a majority of ex-EFL clubs for the first time - 13 clubs (not including us). Interestingly, those clubs are not distributed as you might expect - they are (currently) mostly in the bottom part of the table (9 out of 14), with only 4 ex-EFL clubs in the top 10. If we escape relegation, we could see ex-EFL clubs in all four relegation places (Halifax, Aldershot, Scunthorpe and Torquay).
And, yes, I AM bored! I'm stuck indoors waiting for bloody scaffolders - who should have been here hours ago...
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Post by jdl on Oct 10, 2022 14:03:53 GMT
To my surprsise, L1 isn't much different (yes, the scaffolders STILL haven't turned up...).
It includes 7 ex-nonleague clubs and another 6 who have dropped down to the NL at some stage - that's 13 out of 24 clubs.
But at least the distribution is more as you'd expect - none of the top 7 clubs have been in the NL, whereas the 17 places below them includes only 4 clubs who have never been in the NL.
Above L1, there is just one club (Luton) who have been in the NL. So, although automatic promotion to/from the NL has affected the EFL profoundly in L1 and L2, it hasn't really touched the Championship and the PL. Which, I guess, is pretty much what you would expect.
And pretty much my personal view that football in this country is now basically two leagues: Premier League divisions 1 and 2, and then Football League divisions 1 - 4 (L1 down to NN and NS).
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Post by sword65 on Oct 10, 2022 14:10:17 GMT
To my surprsise, L1 isn't much different (yes, the scaffolders STILL haven't turned up...). It includes 7 ex-nonleague clubs and another 6 who have dropped down to the NL at some stage - that's 13 out of 24 clubs. But at least the distribution is more as you'd expect - none of the top 7 clubs have been in the NL, whereas the 17 places below them includes only 4 clubs who have never been in the NL. Above L1, there is just one club (Luton) who have been in the NL. So, although automatic promotion to/from the NL has affected the EFL profoundly in L1 and L2, it hasn't really touched the Championship and the PL. Which, I guess, is pretty much what you would expect. And pretty much my personal view that football in this country is now basically two leagues: Premier League divisions 1 and 2, and then Football League divisions 1 - 4 (L1 down to NN and NS). Oldham were Prem division, unbelievable Jeff!
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Post by jdl on Oct 10, 2022 14:16:26 GMT
To my surprsise, L1 isn't much different (yes, the scaffolders STILL haven't turned up...). It includes 7 ex-nonleague clubs and another 6 who have dropped down to the NL at some stage - that's 13 out of 24 clubs. But at least the distribution is more as you'd expect - none of the top 7 clubs have been in the NL, whereas the 17 places below them includes only 4 clubs who have never been in the NL. Above L1, there is just one club (Luton) who have been in the NL. So, although automatic promotion to/from the NL has affected the EFL profoundly in L1 and L2, it hasn't really touched the Championship and the PL. Which, I guess, is pretty much what you would expect. And pretty much my personal view that football in this country is now basically two leagues: Premier League divisions 1 and 2, and then Football League divisions 1 - 4 (L1 down to NN and NS). Oldham were Prem division, unbelievable Jeff! So were Notts County (briefly) - I saw them at Upton Park.
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Post by hongkongstone on Oct 11, 2022 2:49:59 GMT
Oldham were Prem division, unbelievable Jeff! So were Notts County (briefly) - I saw them at Upton Park.
I think you might find that Notts County were relegated from the old Division 1 the last season before the start of the EPL.
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Post by jdl on Oct 11, 2022 18:11:42 GMT
So were Notts County (briefly) - I saw them at Upton Park. I think you might find that Notts County were relegated from the old Division 1 the last season before the start of the EPL.
Quite possibly. But it was still the 'premier' division.
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Post by Bernie on Oct 11, 2022 19:08:16 GMT
I still say “the old fourth division “.
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Post by hongkongstone on Oct 12, 2022 6:00:34 GMT
I think you might find that Notts County were relegated from the old Division 1 the last season before the start of the EPL.
Quite possibly. But it was still the 'premier' division.
Football (as we know it) only started in 1992
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Post by jdl on Oct 12, 2022 13:45:54 GMT
I wonder what would happen if the PL expanded to two divisions? (i.e. absorbed the 'Championship' as Div 2)
No doubt most of the Championship clubs would jump at the chance, and it would certainly reflect reality better than the current 'two leagues/one league' confusion.
Can't see the EFL being too happy about it though! And it could impact on us - the EFL won't settle for being a two-division rump, they'd almost certainly take in the NL (and possibly the NS and N as well) to make a three (or four) division league. We could end up being in Division 3!
As the PL was created 30 years ago, and FL was restructured as the Championship, L1 & L2 18 years ago, I'm surprised something like this still hasn't happened.
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Post by sword65 on Oct 12, 2022 14:29:38 GMT
I wonder what would happen if the PL expanded to two divisions? (i.e. absorbed the 'Championship' as Div 2) No doubt most of the Championship clubs would jump at the chance, and it would certainly reflect reality better than the current 'two leagues/one league' confusion. Can't see the EFL being too happy about it though! And it could impact on us - the EFL won't settle for being a two-division rump, they'd almost certainly take in the NL (and possibly the NS and N as well) to make a three (or four) division league. We could end up being in Division 3! As the PL was created 30 years ago, and FL was restructured as the Championship, L1 & L2 18 years ago, I'm surprised something like this still hasn't happened. I don't think that would happen because then they would have to share the TV money with another 24 clubs and I can't see the greedy bastards at the top doing that. How are Man City gonna pay Haaland £875,000 per week if they have to give clubs like Millwall and Barnsley more money.
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