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Post by jdl on Dec 15, 2014 21:21:02 GMT
So, now the Cup is out of the way and we have time to dwell on other things, and on the assumption that some on here know what did actually go on - could they enlighten me please? I still have several email conversations with Paul, in the months leading up to his departure Unfortunately this information is only available to members of the 'proper' and original supporters club for real supporters! So, if I join the proper and original supporters club, do I get guaranteed access to this material?? Actually, I was a member of the supporters club in the London Road days (the only one then), so I think I should be in line for some sort of 'real supporters' privileged access...
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Post by jt on Dec 15, 2014 21:52:07 GMT
I would guess that Paul, Terry, Oliver and Bill know. Everything else will be speculation. Well that should put an end to this thread pretty sharpish! (Oh no it won't). Indeed, sadly
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Post by headstone on Dec 15, 2014 22:16:04 GMT
Why are you looking backwards, jdl, raking over old coals (or speculating, as jt puts it), when there is so much to look forward to?
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Post by jdl on Dec 15, 2014 22:24:39 GMT
I missed the 'away years' Blimey, quarter of a century, do you find your way home ok? It's a long story, and probably not of interest to most on here. It's a post for another thread on another day.
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Post by jdl on Dec 15, 2014 22:29:51 GMT
Why are you looking backwards, jdl, raking over old coals (or speculating, as jt puts it), when there is so much to look forward to? I'm not looking backwards - it's all the same to me, I'm interested in the club and fascinated by the ins and outs of business (I was a business analyst before retirement). I'm as much interested in the past and how it's made the present what it is (and will help or hinder us to make the future better or worse), as I am the present or the future. It's all one continuity, after all. And I'm certainly not 'raking over old coals' - surely it's perfectly natural to want to know the whole story of how your club died and how it was brought back to life?
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Post by jt on Dec 15, 2014 22:36:47 GMT
Might be worth asking Bill, Terry or Oliver if you want to know. I'm sure they'll be more than happy to explain everything to you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 22:46:23 GMT
It's probably best not to rake over those coals too much.
PBB didn't want to let go of the club for what it was worth - which was actually nothing, zilch, nowt in business terms - and that made negotiating with him a little tricky for the present owners. If he hadn't overpriced the club, we might now be owned by David Folb and called Lashings or something - doesn't bear thinking about!
The exact in's and out's should probably remain private.
Look at it in simple terms - PBB did a fantastic job for many years, but in the end he had come to the end of the road in terms of his ability to finance the most crucial leap the club needed to make, i.e. to get us home. The new owners did that and we should be forever grateful that they did!
It is unfortunate that PBB's time ended the way it did but at least we lifted his ban when Thamesmead came for a match and it would be nice to think he would be made to feel more welcome in the future.
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Post by exiled on Dec 15, 2014 22:48:54 GMT
As others have eluded to PBB did not disclose all details of the clubs tax liabilities when he was looking to obtain investment from the clubs current owners and hence their decision to ban from the ground. He has been declared bankrupt in the past and hence from it difficult to generate sponsorship, from business people in the town who he had previously owed money too. Personally i thought he was a good bloke and his heart was in the right place but had taken the club as far as possible under his care.
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Post by jdl on Dec 15, 2014 22:58:52 GMT
As others have eluded to PBB did not disclose all details of the clubs tax liabilities when he was looking to obtain investment from the clubs current owners and hence their decision to ban from the ground. He has been declared bankrupt in the past and hence from it difficult to generate sponsorship, from business people in the town who he had previously owed money too. Personally i thought he was a good bloke and his heart was in the right place but had taken the club as far as possible under his care. This is one of the things that most puzzle me about the story. I can understand the new owners being pissed off at discovering undeclared debts, but banning the guy who had almost single-handedly saved the club? They could at least have let him have his moment with the fans at the first game. He deserved that at the very least, and it would have cost them nothing.
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Post by jdl on Dec 15, 2014 22:59:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 23:11:34 GMT
JDL, please see the private message I just sent you
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Post by mackster on Dec 15, 2014 23:42:50 GMT
As others have eluded to PBB did not disclose all details of the clubs tax liabilities when he was looking to obtain investment from the clubs current owners and hence their decision to ban from the ground. He has been declared bankrupt in the past and hence from it difficult to generate sponsorship, from business people in the town who he had previously owed money too. Personally i thought he was a good bloke and his heart was in the right place but had taken the club as far as possible under his care. This is one of the things that most puzzle me about the story. I can understand the new owners being pissed off at discovering undeclared debts, but banning the guy who had almost single-handedly saved the club? They could at least have let him have his moment with the fans at the first game. He deserved that at the very least, and it would have cost them nothing. I know Oliver invested £125k about 7 years ago and I guess this kept the club afloat, however I guess Oliver was sold a different vision of the club and how his money might be used. This I guess led to the animosity which meant Paul wasn't welcome at the new ground. Nonetheless if Paul hadn't got Oliver involved in some way, the club could possibly be dead now. Oliver & Terry have breathed new life in to the club, but it was PBB who despite the odds kept us on life support all those years. I understand PBB was given the welcome back he deserved last year.
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Post by jdl on Dec 15, 2014 23:56:39 GMT
This is one of the things that most puzzle me about the story. I can understand the new owners being pissed off at discovering undeclared debts, but banning the guy who had almost single-handedly saved the club? They could at least have let him have his moment with the fans at the first game. He deserved that at the very least, and it would have cost them nothing. I know Oliver invested £125k about 7 years ago and I guess this kept the club afloat, however I guess Oliver was sold a different vision of the club and how his money might be used. This I guess led to the animosity which meant Paul wasn't welcome at the new ground. Nonetheless if Paul hadn't got Oliver involved in some way, the club could possibly be dead now. Oliver & Terry have breathed new life in to the club, but it was PBB who despite the odds kept us on life support all those years. I understand PBB was given the welcome back he deserved last year. That's good news (and rings a faint bell, now you've said it). I'd like to meet him one day and shake his hand.
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Post by jdl on Dec 16, 2014 0:34:39 GMT
JDL, please see the private message I just sent you Thanks Jayser. Just discovered a photo of PBB - on the Thamesmead site. He actually looks a lot slimmer and healthier than when he was with us, so perhaps getting away from all that has done him some good!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 4:06:54 GMT
Speculating about the past is one thing, but a man's health?
Maybe he just went on a diet. Who cares?
The past is a foreign country. They do things differently there.
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