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Post by binsey on Oct 22, 2014 12:38:30 GMT
To be fair they only went on general sale yesterday and they probably don't fancy a cup upset!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 12:49:04 GMT
I thought it was unfair blaming KP for our ashes defeat but to blame him for our ticket policy is ridiculous!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 12:57:15 GMT
Why is it up to Kent Police? Surely they didn't make that decision without consulting the club (or both clubs, perhaps) as to whether the game warrants being all-ticket? That is a matter that should be decided by a local football expert, not a senior copper. Presumably Welling aren't known for having a hooligan element and so it doesn't make sense to me. I presumed the decision had been made by the club on the basis they expected to easily sell enough tickets to fill the ground.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 13:28:42 GMT
KP scared the club into making this match an all ticket affair - since when at the GS
have we had a sellout for a cup game? Answer - Never.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 13:35:52 GMT
heard it said at the weekend (not at the ground or from anyone connected to the club) that an agreement had be reached with the powers that be (KP presumably?) to issue an additional 500 tickets for the game
Completely unfounded I know, but if true, could explain why not all our tickets have so far been sold
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 13:40:43 GMT
PWE I think the reason not all the tickets have been sold is simply that interest in the game has been exaggerated. I bought mine at 2.15pm on Sunday, just an hour and fifteen minutes after they went on general sale. I only saw two other people buying tickets whilst I was there. everyone else on site was involved with a youth match. I saw nobody else parking, walking or anything else towards the turnstiles. The ticket seller suggested it had been slow, and allowed me to buy two as a result. It will be busy on Saturday but if the club isn't allowed to sell the remainder on the day, it would not surprise me if it isn't a full house.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 13:44:57 GMT
Apparently Welling still had 150 left this morning. Will the police allow them to sell any remaining tickets on the day? Surely that would defeat the object of making it all ticket in the first place. This proves one thing! Big scare about nothing. Making this an all ticket affair was a gross miscalculation by the Kent Police. I will never vote for Ann Barnes as she cannot get the KP to prioritise properly. Worry about crime not an undersubscribed fa qualifying match.  To be fair, a relatively minor issue among all the other much more important stuff she has got wrong. For someone in a position of power the woman is an absolute disgrace, and if anything has made the police service in Kent less democratic rather than more. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 14:34:37 GMT
This debate would appear to have raised some issues....
(a) It is clearly time for iMUSC, relevant Club officials, and the Official Supporters Club to have some form of exchange of views, on matters of common concern with regard to ticketing.
(b) Comments that the Club 'has learned nothing' are, perhaps, somewhat harsh, in the light of (Director) Bill's earlier post.Whilst the number of (potential) sell-out games is still low, the Club clearly have to apply a cost-benefit analysis (can the cost of a more elaborate ticketing system be justified?).
(c) Indirectly, it has raised the issue of the future development of the Club.To date, to my understanding, the working assumption has been that rising up the divisions would result in a commensurate rise in attendance.However, here we are, facing Conference Premiership opposition, but without the (expected) scramble for tickets.Does that mean that the working assumption should now be re-evaluated? Has our attendance already found its level, and shall only plateau, even in the Conference? Or can this game be discounted - that the level of opposition isn't high enough to overcome a sense of 'bound-to-lose' amongst the uncommitted? (that the Conference Premier isn't 'glamorous' enough....). Sir, Agree that the club must address the ticketing issue at the meeting in October. Your last point is a worry as the mediocre gates this season would indicate that our attendances have topped. But I think the poor site lines available to standing fans are discouraging bigger crowds & therefore if we had more seating attendances will improve once again. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 14:48:03 GMT
I was just logging in to say that the issue was possibly one for discussion in October. While we at iMUSC could offer thoughts etc from our members (should they wish to put them through us) I think this is an issue which all the fanbase might want to have a view on. Generally, I find the directors pretty open to ideas and pretty honest in saying that something won't/can't be done for whatever reason. Even if this particular match ends up being a red herring in terms of the ticket scramble issue it has opened the debate for future matches (i.e. what if we were in the play-off final this season). If we can help the club come up with a plan that can be easily actioned then great. Let's have the debate in October and put all our minds to it.
Calaisangleterre, in his usual long-winded, fun-sponge way points out that there is a cost-benefit analysis element to this as well. Maybe iMUSC could be involved in this (not an offer from the treasurer by the way - just a suggestion).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 16:03:11 GMT
Read the official site tickets are on sale on Saturday so no need to shit yourself yet .
The whole point of this being all ticket is to ensure the game is not over-attended and everyone gets in.Many clubs in the league issue tickets on the day of the game ,you just cant pay cash at the turnstile.
Our usual FA cup gates are our lowest gates of the season,look at the gate for littlehampton 1300 and Brentwood 1400 both games our smallest Saturday gates..thats the proof.due to many season ticket-holders not wanting to pay again to watch,as cup games are all pay
Kent Police set up a football intelligence unit,As recently ago as two to three seasons. ,you can follow these idiots on twitter,they have to justify this departments exsistance. Blame them not MUFC or KP.
A average Cup gate at the Gallagher would normally be in the region of 1500 max add 150-200 from a club the size of welling ,someones crapped there pants to reckon on a sellout.
Remember its a 50/50 split as well .wink wink.
Id guess a similar gate to Saturdays around the 1950-2000.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 16:05:46 GMT
It's an arseholeageddon in here.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 16:11:13 GMT
BTW, regarding Calaisangleterre's comment thus: "Has our attendance already found its level, and shall only plateau, even in the Conference?"
I think we may be temporarily close to it, in that promotion to Conference South is unlikely to see a serious hike in attendances, especially if the club don't instantly become one of the best teams in that league. Even in Conference Prem it may not shoot up significantly, however I do think if we eventually got to the football league home attendances could go up to 3,000 - 4,000. When we were in the FL before, crowds over 2,000 used to go to Dartford, a horrible round trip. This only changed towards the end when the team were really struggling; from memory, I think we may have had a few nearer 1,500 in the last weeks. Had the club been playing in the town it is not unreasonable to think home gates would have been comfortably over 3,000 and we only need to look at how steeply home attendances went up when we moved to the Gallagher to see that is likely. Projecting that onto the current situation, I think a return to the FL could double demand. The Conference might add a couple of hundred to home gates if the team does okay at that level but I don't think people will be queuing round the block.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 16:31:27 GMT
Dover are getting less fans in the CP than they got when they won the RPL.
Dartfords gates are similar to R1S ,every year its either been a couple of hundred up or down but they have struggled for the last three years.but always an average of 1100 to 1400.With a similar exile situation ,then returning to a new ground.
The gates this season is all our fans as we haven't played anyone whose bought more than 1 bus load.
Our league gates will continue to grow ,i think we will top the 1800 last year. and peak at about the 1800 -1900.
its up to how well the teams doing,but we do need ground improvements suitable for a growing fan base
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Post by Loftus Road Stone. on Oct 22, 2014 18:57:09 GMT
Apart from the playoff games this has got to be the biggest at the GS so far.
A home kent derby tie against a BSP club 90 minutes away from a possably game against Bristol city Sheff utd or Gillingham.
I honestly dont understand why this fixture hasn't easily sold out it's must be because many can't be asked to go down to the ground for only one ticket.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 20:41:32 GMT
I think that ticket sales for games like these can actually be sorted out quiet easily.
Firstly there are the sales to VPs, ST holders, club members, etc - these are known numbers/individuals, so tickets can be put aside for these people, to be bought by a set date - online or in person (any not sold by the set date go on general sale).
Secondly there are the general sale tickets (those left). And here the problem is trying to ensure that regular supporters feel that they are getting a fair chance to get tickets. This could be tackled in a number of ways (vouchers, attending a certain game, first come, first served, lottery, etc). No single way is fair to all, especially distant fans, but the important thing here is to agree a method (hopefully with the fans) and then use this system every time. That way everyone knows where they stand - distant supporters, for instance then know that joining the supporters club (and buying online) will guarantee them a ticket. The problem of parents taking their kids to games and therefore needing multiple tickets could be solved by having a family membership category, allowing more than one ticket to be purchased.
A few tickets can also be put aside (as is already done) for compassionate cases, at the club's discretion.
Of course, with very popular games, some fans will still miss out, but the only way round that is to increase capacity. As several people have already pointed out, there's a good chance that we have reached, or are approaching, a plateau in our home support (around the 2,000 mark), which may only increase slightly as we progress up the pyramid, so a capacity of (say) 3,000 would probably suffice (not too much spaces for 1,500 league games, but room for big games).
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