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The FA
Mar 29, 2014 10:30:08 GMT
Post by Sennockian69 on Mar 29, 2014 10:30:08 GMT
The weather this year , the declining participation at the AMATEUR LEVEL of the players & the change of heart by the FA to allow 3G to be played in all rounds of the FA Cup are all signs that the tide of feeling is in our favour. 2015/16 is when we will be allowed to play in the Conference South if we earn that right. My gut feeling is that's what the club thinks & that's why the players we have playing for us next season must be capable of earning us promotion. The next 6 matches are a trial of our players for that purpose.
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Mar 29, 2014 10:37:15 GMT
Post by nws on Mar 29, 2014 10:37:15 GMT
There's a small snippet in today's Telegraph (I only take it for the sports coverage and the crossword, obviously) that the FA have asked the Football League to reconsider their opposition to 3G, so there does seem to be a growing groundswell in favour. If only we had an Eva Peron to mobilise the masses to take to the streets - wonder what Nadine is up to this week? I can always do my hair differently and wear a dress if that helps, HS?
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Mar 30, 2014 6:16:49 GMT
Post by porkystone on Mar 30, 2014 6:16:49 GMT
There's a small snippet in today's Telegraph (I only take it for the sports coverage and the crossword, obviously) that the FA have asked the Football League to reconsider their opposition to 3G, so there does seem to be a growing groundswell in favour. If only we had an Eva Peron to mobilise the masses to take to the streets - wonder what Nadine is up to this week? Nice comment on Page 5 of the NLP this morning summing this up............ ( well, not the Eva Peron bit ....... ).
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Mar 30, 2014 10:11:10 GMT
Post by distantfan on Mar 30, 2014 10:11:10 GMT
Not sure if this has been posted before but this Press Association article seems to have similar information to the Telegraph: Football - FA want an end to pitch battle The Football Association is urging Football League clubs to reconsider their ban on artificial pitches, it can be revealed. PA Sport – Fri, Mar 28, 2014 FA general secretary Alex Horne says both the Football League and the Conference should look again at their policy on 3G and other good quality artificial surfaces. The issue is expected to be discussed at the league's summer meeting in Portugal on June 5 and 6, and comes after the FA announced it will allow artificial pitches in all rounds of the FA Cup from next season. Horne told Press Association Sport: "I would urge the Football League and the Conference to look at this issue again. Clubs are becoming increasingly attracted to 3G pitches and we have now said they can be used in all rounds of the FA Cup which removes one of the obstacles to professional clubs having them. "I understand this will be looked at again at the Football League's annual meeting in Portugal." The Football League clubs voted against artificial pitches in 2012 despite there being a majority in League Two in favour. The FA's decision on the FA Cup may change attitudes however. FIFA and UEFA already allow artificial pitches all the way up to international competitions - indeed England played Russia on a 3G surface in Moscow in a Euro 2008 qualifier. There are around 600 good quality artificial pitches in England at the moment, but the FA's policy on facilities is to encourage local clubs to install 3G or later generation surfaces rather than grass. Artificial pitches can be used for more than 50 hours per week - hugely boosting community use, while grass is limited to five or six hours and is often a victim of the weather. There is also a growing belief in the coaching community that artificial pitches provide a better surface for young players to develop technical skills. Sports minister Helen Grant is also pushing for a change of policy despite the Conference having rejected a bid to change the regulations as recently as January. Grant has already held talks with the FA and the Football Conference on the issue - Maidstone United, who had unsuccessfully sought the rule change, are in her constituency. The Premier League has said it had no plans to look at the issue because its clubs have the resources to provide top-quality grass surfaces. uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/football-fa-want-end-pitch-battle-122501191--sow.html
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Mar 30, 2014 12:56:23 GMT
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Post by ontheup on Mar 30, 2014 12:56:23 GMT
I actually like the Premier leagues stance in that they are saying their clubs have the resources. In other words agreeing that it costs a lot to maintain good grass pitches.
Which is one of our main arguments for 3G, "clubs at non league do not have sufficient resources to maintain good grass pitches"
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Mar 30, 2014 13:40:45 GMT
Post by headstone on Mar 30, 2014 13:40:45 GMT
There's a small snippet in today's Telegraph (I only take it for the sports coverage and the crossword, obviously) that the FA have asked the Football League to reconsider their opposition to 3G, so there does seem to be a growing groundswell in favour. If only we had an Eva Peron to mobilise the masses to take to the streets - wonder what Nadine is up to this week? I can always do my hair differently and wear a dress if that helps, HS? I doubt you could turn your masculine locks into a blonde chignon, but if you want to wear a dress to try to inspire a reaction, then go ahead!
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Mar 30, 2014 22:17:38 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2014 22:17:38 GMT
Seems clear enough to me. Grass is best...if a club has the financial resources to ensure that grass doesn't turn into mud for over half of a season.
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Mar 30, 2014 22:28:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2014 22:28:50 GMT
The premier league view is nonsesical in as much as, if you can afford to be competitive and profitable while only having your facilities open twice a week at most then you can have a nice grass surface. If you require to use your facilities everyday to generate income then a nice grass surface is impossible unless you choose nice 3g grass.
Its not as if anyone below the premiership has wealthy backers willing to service many 10's of millions of annual debt to survive. I would hardly say any club in the premiership has a business plan or model other than 'find me the next rich and mad oil baron!'
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Mar 30, 2014 22:39:06 GMT
Post by ontheup on Mar 30, 2014 22:39:06 GMT
I'm not so positive about the Premier League's argument. Although it could be regarded as adding weight to the 'resource-cost' argument, it carries the clear inference that grass is best - 'we have the resources to have the preferable surface' .If 3G was regarded as equal, or superior, to grass then resources wouldn't come into it.That would undermine the case for 3G with the Football League and the Conference, who would no doubt claim 'if one of the top leagues in the world thinks grass is best....'
3G? Basically, the Premier League says 'no'.... The "resource-cost" argument is a massive one has far as our 3G campaign is concerned because in no way are we suggesting it should be used when clubs can afford to maintain a good grass pitch. And of course if you can maintain a good grass pitch you wouldn't need the additional income 3G generates. Whilst I agree the Premier League says "no" I also think they are confirming (rightly or wrongly) their elitist attitude and status, in other words " this argument doesn't apply to us"......and yet the football league and the conference allow themselves to be dictated to by the premier league who clearly have little consideration for the non league game
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Mar 31, 2014 5:13:42 GMT
Post by preciousstone on Mar 31, 2014 5:13:42 GMT
I'm not so positive about the Premier League's argument. Although it could be regarded as adding weight to the 'resource-cost' argument, it carries the clear inference that grass is best - 'we have the resources to have the preferable surface' .If 3G was regarded as equal, or superior, to grass then resources wouldn't come into it.That would undermine the case for 3G with the Football League and the Conference, who would no doubt claim 'if one of the top leagues in the world thinks grass is best....'
3G? Basically, the Premier League says 'no'.... The "resource-cost" argument is a massive one has far as our 3G campaign is concerned because in no way are we suggesting it should be used when clubs can afford to maintain a good grass pitch. And of course if you can maintain a good grass pitch you wouldn't need the additional income 3G generates. Whilst I agree the Premier League says "no" I also think they are confirming (rightly or wrongly) their elitist attitude and status, in other words " this argument doesn't apply to us"......and yet the football league and the conference allow themselves to be dictated to by the premier league who clearly have little consideration for the non league game Surely it's enough that FA people are now openly saying to Football L and Conference: Allow 3G! It's just what Club said they wanted to happen. Club will probably lobby FL to allow 3G in League 2 which solves the Conf problem. Premier L g have already done their bit in letting FA approve 3G
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Mar 31, 2014 11:27:02 GMT
Post by ontheup on Mar 31, 2014 11:27:02 GMT
The "resource-cost" argument is a massive one has far as our 3G campaign is concerned because in no way are we suggesting it should be used when clubs can afford to maintain a good grass pitch. And of course if you can maintain a good grass pitch you wouldn't need the additional income 3G generates. Whilst I agree the Premier League says "no" I also think they are confirming (rightly or wrongly) their elitist attitude and status, in other words " this argument doesn't apply to us"......and yet the football league and the conference allow themselves to be dictated to by the premier league who clearly have little consideration for the non league game Hello OTU - I'm slightly confused by 'in no way...pitch'....my understanding of the pro 3G case (in general, not just us) is that a significant part of the argument states that 3G is the equal of grass, as a playing surface, in order to deal with the 'not real football' detractors.Whilst not suggesting that 3G has to be used, if we suggest that grass is a preferable surface ,then we erode the case for 3G - the detractors would say 'told you so....'.I appreciate that the financial arguments are prominent - however, the footballing side is just as important; we don't want to give the impression that we believe 3G is a second-rate surface, which is only chosen for financial reasons.We should be suggesting that 3G is a surface which could be used, even where resources support a grass pitch, as the standard of play would be identical. One of our main arguments for having 3G approved is that pitches in and around our level are simply not good enough. I agree we could argue that 3G is equal to grass but our point is more in relation to the attached pitch. Which belongs to a club pushing for a play off place into the Conference and because this is in effect a "grass" pitch there wouldn't be any opposition to it and no talk of injuries etc etc Conference clubs would prefer to play on this apparently. Attachments:
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The FA
Mar 31, 2014 15:11:02 GMT
Post by ontheup on Mar 31, 2014 15:11:02 GMT
Interesting that Gillingham are laying a new pitch at the end of the season at a cost of £50k with the line
"It has lasted 10 years and probably should have been done a couple of years ago.”
Considering the revenue our pitch brings in I think our neighbours have just blown apart the argument of "It only lasts 10 years"
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Mar 31, 2014 16:03:55 GMT
Post by Tstone on Mar 31, 2014 16:03:55 GMT
If the FL vote in favour but the PL don't what happens with promotion to the PL? Will any of the top clubs in the Championship, who have gone down the 3G route, find they are not eligible to enter the top flight or have to make the change back? The discussion we are having with the Conference will be escalated to PL vs the rest. Secondly, the PL and FL clubs are likely to have seperate training facilites (probably utilising 3G)which are used to hold for example Academy games. Their main stadium pitch will be used for league/cup matches and possibly one training session for the team and opposition to get the feel of the pitch.
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Apr 2, 2014 8:16:08 GMT
Post by distantfan on Apr 2, 2014 8:16:08 GMT
Clubs promoted to the PL get a massive cash windfall, more than enough to allow a promoted club to abandon its 3G business model.
There's no reason why the FL could not insist that a prerequisite of joining the FL is: "if promoted to the PL the club will use a grass pitch".
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