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Post by jt on Oct 19, 2013 6:30:07 GMT
Doesn't the monarchy have something to do with William the Conquerer?.......I wasn't aware he was French. I thought he was a Norman who hated the French as much as the English did!
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Post by porkystone on Oct 19, 2013 7:01:35 GMT
But the victory at hastings was a close run thing as almost all medieval battles seem to have been. Indeed, had the home team not got overconfident and broken ranks to chase the French back down Caldbec Hill there would have been no French victory at all.
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Post by jt on Oct 19, 2013 8:23:03 GMT
How many time have you all got to be told. It wasn't a french victory
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Post by islandstone on Oct 19, 2013 9:09:38 GMT
Doesn't the monarchy have something to do with William the Conquerer?.......I wasn't aware he was French. I thought he was a Norman who hated the French as much as the English did! Normans were settlers/viking origins. Nicked land, as was a lot of northern France, Britannia and frankia. My conclusion is that we're all the same but not all as good looking as me.
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Post by toonarmy on Oct 19, 2013 9:35:02 GMT
I think the main problem for Harold was the fact whilst he was winning the battle of Stamford Bridge, William had invaded England forcing Harold to head straight to Hastings after the battle instead of resting up and recovering, that and of course the stupidity of trying to surprise William on arriving in the Hasting areas and then as PS has said chasing after them, when they should have consolidated.
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Post by porkystone on Oct 19, 2013 10:24:46 GMT
I think the main problem for Harold was the fact whilst he was winning the battle of Stamford Bridge, William had invaded England forcing Harold to head straight to Hastings after the battle instead of resting up and recovering, that and of course the stupidity of trying to surprise William on arriving in the Hasting areas and then as PS has said chasing after them, when they should have consolidated. All very true Toon. Also, Harold was handicapped because so many of his soldiers were farmhands who by September were released to handle the harvest + The make up of Harold's army was almost entirely infantry, and the lack of horse born cavalry to some extent dictated his tactics.
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Post by jt on Oct 19, 2013 11:08:02 GMT
I know this is a very little known fact but the Battle of Medway, fought in AD43, is deemed to be second most decisive even in British history. It had an army made up from British tribes, under King Caractacus who tried to halt the roman legions comeing through on the way to rochester. It happened just between Snodland and Burham. It was part of the first Roman invasion into this fair Isle. Personally I would have taken one look at the Meday area and then bu**ered off back where I'd come from.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2013 13:14:34 GMT
I love history its an awesome subject.
I'm honestly chuffed too bits that we have so many history literate Stones fans and indeed a Calais fan to debate and share banter with.
I don't feel such a nerd anymore well at least not the only one!
As has been said the breaking of ranks to chase feigned retreats meant the shield wall was consistantly weakened was the deciding factor.
Other examples of defeats from stupidity snatched fron the jaws of victory in the civil war at Naseby etc when the royalists lost because the cavalry left the field in pursuit and never returned to continue to play a part
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2013 13:16:35 GMT
I know this is a very little known fact but the Battle of Medway, fought in AD43, is deemed to be second most decisive even in British history. It had an army made up from British tribes, under King Caractacus who tried to halt the roman legions comeing through on the way to rochester. It happened just between Snodland and Burham. It was part of the first Roman invasion into this fair Isle. Personally I would have taken one look at the Meday area and then bu**ered off back where I'd come from. Sadly this era gets more overlooked than others as do the vikings.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2013 13:17:41 GMT
Most historians agree that, by the time of the Conquest, the Normans had become so assimilated into France that they were Norman-French.There is also a general consensus that the Conquest established close links between the two countries which lasted for centuries, and that each country has positively influenced the other (and continues so to do...)
Still - that's the thing about Arts subjects; unlike the sciences / social sciences, you can be as polemic as you like, without having to worry too much.Ask Mrs JT . Totally agree
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Post by islandstone on Oct 19, 2013 16:38:58 GMT
I know this is a very little known fact but the Battle of Medway, fought in AD43, is deemed to be second most decisive even in British history. It had an army made up from British tribes, under King Caractacus who tried to halt the roman legions comeing through on the way to rochester. It happened just between Snodland and Burham. It was part of the first Roman invasion into this fair Isle. Personally I would have taken one look at the Meday area and then bu**ered off back where I'd come from. And soon after the battle of thamesis took place, the last natural barrier up to Colchester to boot out caratacus and finish any resistance in the south east. Caratacus did rally again west of England area but didn't come to much. The second legion led by vespasian later to be consul of Rome and I think ruler of Rome. He had a building built in his name, so quite a big cheese. Second legion had a strong rep.
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Post by islandstone on Oct 20, 2013 6:07:39 GMT
Vespasian? That's scooters, isn't it?........ Errrrm, no your thinking of his cousin. Doesn't Bryan have a vespa?
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Post by islandstone on Oct 20, 2013 6:17:54 GMT
I know this is a very little known fact but the Battle of Medway, fought in AD43, is deemed to be second most decisive even in British history. It had an army made up from British tribes, under King Caractacus who tried to halt the roman legions comeing through on the way to rochester. It happened just between Snodland and Burham. It was part of the first Roman invasion into this fair Isle. Personally I would have taken one look at the Meday area and then bu**ered off back where I'd come from.[/quote). Sorry, slight mistake. My post from here on. I take it the 1st most decisive battle in British history must have been william the conker? Or "the battle of Britain" itself?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2013 7:47:27 GMT
I know this is a very little known fact but the Battle of Medway, fought in AD43, is deemed to be second most decisive even in British history. It had an army made up from British tribes, under King Caractacus who tried to halt the roman legions comeing through on the way to rochester. It happened just between Snodland and Burham. It was part of the first Roman invasion into this fair Isle. Personally I would have taken one look at the Meday area and then bu**ered off back where I'd come from.[/quote I take it the 1st most decisive battle in British history must have been william the conker? Or "the battle of Britain" itself? I will go with Trafalgar as without Nelson's triumph then the hordes of Napoleon's army encamped at Boulogne would have been across the channel and we would be speaking French long before Hitler had his eye on us
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Post by jt on Oct 20, 2013 8:00:17 GMT
Historians say it is the Battle of Hastings. Medway second and I suppose they are the major turning points. Both are the only real times, that we have been invaded successfully and both times have seen massive changes for the better. I mean what have the Romans ever done for us?
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