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Post by islandstone on Jul 29, 2013 20:32:31 GMT
wherever we go, with football or on holiday or down the town or just down to Tonbridge, you will see a minority of a group, club or a nationality drawing attention to themselves for the wrong reasons that's human nature. maybe not acceptable but it happens.
having a red hand flag doesn't make you edl, it may mean he's from n.ireland or a Chelsea or rangers fan?? having England flags doesn't make you a racist. I didn't go to le frogville so cant comment about any chanting. one or two beers too many possibly? maybe I don't know enough of this. I do know you cant blame a whole group/club/nationality for something said or done by some of them otherwise the whole of chatham would be under constant arrest cos 99% of them are ugly.
every group has an idiot. im our groups idiot. also im not a racist (I have Geordie friend to prove it) defending anyone or group. I doubt this will be the end of this thread, please be polite or i'll dish out the Chinese burns. peace and love.
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Post by valorient on Jul 29, 2013 23:09:45 GMT
I know what Ian and I saw and we DID see a nazi salute given by 2 men to each other.
If people choose to disbelieve me then that is their choice, but I know what I saw and I would stand in a court and repeat this.
Moving away from that, I can't wait for the return game next summer. Will it become an annual event?
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Post by jt on Jul 30, 2013 5:30:51 GMT
I believe it is going to become an annual event. Hopefully they will bring some fans over with them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 8:59:13 GMT
A bit of post-editing (you knew I would!):
For this first match of the season at the Epopée, we had all the English seasons (thunderstorms, rain, clouds and sunshine) for the visit of British club Maidstone United from Kent. This team play in the seventh level of English football (equivalent to our CFA 2) and this was already their third match of the season. The “Cruffies” had a torrid opening few minutes against an unforgiving English team. The tough physical training regime of the beginning of the season, imposed by Djezon Boutoille and his assistants, perhaps accounted for this. After twenty-six minutes, the Kentish team led 3-0 before Calais started to recover. In the last quarter of an hour of the first half, Benkada and Danset warmed the gloves of the Maidstone keeper and just before the break Delplanque got the ball in the net from a corner, but the referee disallowed the goal. Back from the dressing rooms, the Calais coaches changed their line-up, bringing on amongst others Olivier Crépin in goal for Kevin Demassieux. Despite a last English goal (0-4, 48th minute), CRUFC started to look more determined. Spaces were starting to open up and Guérot only had to wait five minutes before scoring his first goal for his new team (1-4, 50th minute). He seemed to gain in confidence and tried a shot from twenty metres (52nd) before Danset attempted a beautiful curved shot in the 58th minute. Dramé then reduced the deficit, winning a one-to-one with the keeper after a pass from Guérot (2-4, 63rd minute). Manu Vasseur came on in the 70th minute and three minutes later the tireless player struck a powerful shot from 18 yards past the helpless English keeper. Calais got a new lease of life and now attacked continually. Kenkada slipped into into the English penalty area to equalise in the 77th minute, to the great pleasure of the supporters of both clubs. A great comeback against Maidstone by Calais, who despite the intense schedule of this close season, managed to overturn the deficit and to play some lovely football in the second half. Moreover, CRUFC could even have taken the lead in the 85th minute, when Lavie put Danset through. A great game for the first match at the Epopée of 2013/2014! We’d like more of the same...
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Post by nws on Jul 30, 2013 9:25:23 GMT
I agree the subject is now becoming annoying,I will just say one thing on the nazi salute matter,one person did have a loyalist flag,one person out of nearly 60,are you sure this person who found it extremely upsetting didn't get confused with one person doing a red hand salute instead of a nazi salute ? Because many on that coach do have children through other race relationships so that's why I find the accusation absolutely ridiculous I am one of those loyal few that did follow the club through the bad times and I will find it annoying if I suddenly find our away support populated by people waving red hand flags and giving red hand salutes. We go alomg to support the Town of Maidstone not something from another country. I have yet to meet anyone that owns a red hand flag that is genuinely interested in it's original being and not much more invested in an obsession with 1970s/80s paramilitary claptrap from Northern Ireland. Perhaps we could go the whole hog and kneecap their loved ones! At Maidstone games wave Maidstone flags and shout for Maidstone. If you are obsessed with red hand stuff go Ireland and wave your flag.
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Post by lee222 on Jul 30, 2013 10:20:31 GMT
It's not a competition but we were there at London road,we were there as a football league club,we were there last season and we will be there this season,my final say in the matter is there was not one hint of violence,not one act of vandalism,you really need to get a grip and worry about the real problems in life
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Post by snakeman on Jul 30, 2013 10:21:18 GMT
Yes but you cannot dictate to people what they can or can't wave or what they can or cannot wear !!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 10:38:24 GMT
there was not one hint of violence, TBF the throwing of firecrackers at the Calais Steward bloke & then the Youths that attempted to go below the thuderc**ts acting up could probably be seen as provocation / threataning / intimidating behaviour.
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Post by lee222 on Jul 30, 2013 10:43:30 GMT
As I said I can't condone the firecrackers but there was no use of violence
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Post by jt on Jul 30, 2013 10:45:39 GMT
Would be covered by the public order act and specific football laws concerning spectators in England.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 10:46:00 GMT
It's not a competition but we were there at London road,we were there as a football league club,we were there last season and we will be there this season,my final say in the matter is there was not one hint of violence,not one act of vandalism,you really need to get a grip and worry about the real problems in life What you seem incapable of grasping is that when you go to an away match, anywhere let alone abroad, you're an ambassador for your club. Throwing firecrackers and abusing stewards is not a very clever way of painting Maidstone United or indeed England in a good light. But I'm not convinced that you care about that. Please don't come back - stay at home and watch Sky Sports on Saturdays, or go and watch a league club where such behaviour is welcomed / accepted. At Maidstone United, it is not.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 10:50:29 GMT
Open to interpretation really, but I'm guessing it wouldn't have been tolerated in the UK. Personally that was threataning behaviour trying to get a reaction, which looking at the state of the knuckledraggers would probably have led to something "pwopa nawty"...
They knew where they where throwing them when aimed at the steward & youths, there's no question about that.
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Post by snakeman on Jul 30, 2013 10:57:25 GMT
Go watch Oxford then who are you to dictate who can or cannot attend matches
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Post by jt on Jul 30, 2013 10:58:45 GMT
Do it over here and you'll get a ban from all grounds up to certain level which I think is as far as the conference. I'm pretty sure it'll cover Al international games as well. That's why, at our level, we can sometimes attract a certain type of clientele
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Post by moley on Jul 30, 2013 11:13:32 GMT
Not a case of dictating who can or cannot go at all, simply a desire to not have the sort of sub-human vile behaviour we witnessed Saturday.
Come to the game by all means but don't behave like a fascist thug.
The real problem is that these lowlife don't appear to comprehend that they have done anything wrong.
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