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May 15, 2013 18:39:51 GMT
Post by farawaystone on May 15, 2013 18:39:51 GMT
Any chance of the Conference discussing 3G at their AGM soon?
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May 15, 2013 20:23:08 GMT
Post by daveu on May 15, 2013 20:23:08 GMT
I don't think they need to discuss it. Conference rules don't currently prohibit 3G pitches, they simply state that the surface should be grass unless otherwise approved. The last time the subject came up Durham City were informed that the wouldn't be allowed in with a 3G pitch but that was years ago and attitudes have softened quite a lot since then, and several current conference clubs are campaigning for them to be approved. My guess is that they will wait until the situation arises (either Sutton applying to put in 3G or us applying for promotion) and then make a (probably) positive decision.
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May 16, 2013 5:27:11 GMT
Post by blacknamber on May 16, 2013 5:27:11 GMT
I believe that they are unlikely to change their rules until the football league allow 3G pitches
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May 16, 2013 7:53:34 GMT
Post by daveu on May 16, 2013 7:53:34 GMT
The rules don't need changing. They already allow 3G or any other approved surface.
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May 16, 2013 12:08:09 GMT
Post by blacknamber on May 16, 2013 12:08:09 GMT
OK I will rephrase, they are unlikely to allow clubs with 3g pitches to play in the conference, until the football league do the same.
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May 16, 2013 12:31:43 GMT
Post by daveu on May 16, 2013 12:31:43 GMT
From various forums I frequent, there seems to be a feeling that they will allow it in connie north and south if the occasion arises. You're probably right about the top division though.
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May 16, 2013 15:58:59 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 16, 2013 15:58:59 GMT
here's hoping for an extremely wet winter then
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May 17, 2013 22:29:24 GMT
Post by stoneslive on May 17, 2013 22:29:24 GMT
OK I will rephrase, they are unlikely to allow clubs with 3g pitches to play in the conference, until the football league do the same. That argument has no logic. The Conference clubs' decision will be whether to approve the 3G surface in THEIR league, not the Football League. If approved, it will then be up to Conference clubs with a 3G surface to decide whether they wish to have grass with a view to promotion (but hopefully not in the long term if the FL accept 3G), or a 3G surface and (at present) remain in the Conference. The Conference have never banned the surface, its just that no-one has applied to have their 3G surface approved recently.
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May 17, 2013 23:54:13 GMT
Post by distantfan on May 17, 2013 23:54:13 GMT
The FA's 2012 "Third Generation Football Guidance" shows the FA is intending to intervene to ensure consistency with FIFA's decision on allowing 3G surfaces. "The Football Association is fully supportive of the use of the Football Turf (3G) artificial pitches in the national Game. The FA recognises the value and benefit of Football Turf facilities to all involved in the game and the positive impact these facilities have had and will have in the future. This guide has been produced to help all of the grass roots game make informed decisions about their use and address many myths that exist. Mervyn Leggett Chairman of The FA Pitches and Facilities Committee" The document highlights the following section so that it can't be missed: "The FA is considering changing the Standard Codes of Rules so that leagues would not be allowed to refuse the use of 3G Football Turf pitches" www.thefa.com/News/myfootball/facilities/2012/may/2012/jul/~/media/050326712F0144D9B14AFC853435174A.ashx
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May 18, 2013 7:06:44 GMT
Post by toonarmy on May 18, 2013 7:06:44 GMT
Thanks distantfan that is a very good read, here's hoping the FA push on with their plan to change the standard code of rules, onwards and upwards
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May 18, 2013 9:45:40 GMT
Post by russc on May 18, 2013 9:45:40 GMT
I agree TA, it does make good reading and thanks Distantfan for posting the link. There are several telling phrases that show the FA is serious about the use of 3G, not least of which was this note that was also highlighted: "Research has concluded that the game does not change significantly between natural grass and artificial surfaces" It's a shame that not enough evidence from the Maidstone United experience was available when the report was done. It would have added nicely to the examples already in the report. Also worth a read is the Football League's consultation document on artificial surfaces. www.football-league.co.uk/staticFiles/89/9d/0,,10794~171401,00.pdf Again to my mind it seems that the League were positive about their use and several sections cover their use elsewhere in Europe and even present financial projections. It stops short of an outright recommendation, but it's hinted at. It's also clear that the League believed that it may be only a matter of time before either the FA or FIFA mandated that they be allowed in all competitions. The result of all this unfortunately was that the chairmen of the League clubs voted against it. I don't know if the FA were already working on their report, or were prompted by the vote to take a lead on the subject.
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May 18, 2013 15:43:20 GMT
Post by blacknamber on May 18, 2013 15:43:20 GMT
I listen to the non-league show on my ipod on the way to work each week, and they have several times had the guys from the conference on there and discussed 3G. They have said on the show that the conference would be unlikely to allow 3G until the footbal league do so that there is no embarrasing situation where a club wins the blue square prem (or whatever they are going to call it next) and then cannot take their place in the football league.
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May 18, 2013 17:05:19 GMT
Post by signalstone on May 18, 2013 17:05:19 GMT
Spoke to some Sutton Utd fans in March, they said their club were seriously looking into putting down a 3g pitch, and will be approaching the Conf to push for their acceptance in the near future. The feeling was that they were impressed with what the Stones are doing
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May 19, 2013 11:31:59 GMT
Post by moley on May 19, 2013 11:31:59 GMT
I listen to the non-league show on my ipod on the way to work each week, and they have several times had the guys from the conference on there and discussed 3G. They have said on the show that the conference would be unlikely to allow 3G until the footbal league do so that there is no embarrasing situation where a club wins the blue square prem (or whatever they are going to call it next) and then cannot take their place in the football league. Which is probably why the FA are making noises about forcing leagues to allow approved 3G pitches, because some leagues still have their heads buried in various orifices
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May 19, 2013 13:43:09 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 19, 2013 13:43:09 GMT
Do the Football Association have any jurisdiction over the Football League? Thought they were two seperate entities and the FA forcing the FL to accept 3G pitches might be a non-starter?
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