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Post by sennockian69 on Nov 6, 2024 14:40:26 GMT
Superb battling performance from the Stones second half after Greenidge's stupid sending off. Corne, Brookes, Fowler, Blair and Seaman all putting in really good shifts. Eweka an absolute hero at the back, especially playing the last 10 as a crock. Ludicrous might not be the greatest player but he seems to unsettle other sides So that is all he brings - pace and intimidation - even players in the SCEFL Premier league offer more than that - they can head the ball and shoot. I was thinking about those two qualities earlier today - pace and intimidation. If they were so invaluable in a potential football then would you not recruit players from a pool of tall sprinters. But most football clubs don't because there is more elements than that you need in any footballer. At least at this level and the two levels below. |
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Post by nick on Nov 6, 2024 15:52:32 GMT
Without wanting to debate the whole "can you tell from the highlights" argument again, can you tell from the highlights? Nick? DaveU? Our commentators said it was clearly red, theirs said clearly not. Highlights can easily evidence when the ball was at least 2 feet over the line. But back to last night. It was a careless effort but who goes to head the ball with their arms down by their sides ? Yes, it deserved a booking fair enough but a red card for a solid challenge with zero malicious intent ? I don't think so. The ref got it wrong. Simple. Disappointingly our commentators got it wrong too. Their initial response was almost one of amusement to think Greenidge had flattened the opposition player. It was when the ref card began to emerge that they decided there was criminal intent that merited the maximum punishment. These things happen. |
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Post by deadly on Nov 6, 2024 15:55:47 GMT
Can't believe nws is sticking up for Ludicrous.
Bet he wasn't there, rather like Ludicrous. !
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Post by loosestone on Nov 6, 2024 16:05:22 GMT
Greenidges 3 match ban I believe starts next week at Torquay followed by Horsham in the Trophy and finally at Bath City but as he will be away on international duty with Guyana for at least 2 of those games does this mean in reality he would only miss one game through suspension.
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Post by Harry on Nov 6, 2024 16:05:38 GMT
Just been watching the Dorking highlights.
Their commentators were not at all bothered by the challenge. Thought it was a foul but that's about it.
Called it as a poor decision and harsh to give a red.
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Post by nws on Nov 6, 2024 19:41:46 GMT
Superb battling performance from the Stones second half after Greenidge's stupid sending off. Corne, Brookes, Fowler, Blair and Seaman all putting in really good shifts. Eweka an absolute hero at the back, especially playing the last 10 as a crock. Ludicrous might not be the greatest player but he seems to unsettle other sides So that is all he brings - pace and intimidation - even players in the SCEFL Premier league offer more than that - they can head the ball and shoot. Well it was notable that they kept double marking him |
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Post by nws on Nov 6, 2024 19:43:20 GMT
Can't believe nws is sticking up for Ludicrous. Bet he wasn't there, rather like Ludicrous. ! I was, but I recognise facts ain't a strong point for you. I'm not sticking up for him. Merely noting what happened. |
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Post by seanstone on Nov 6, 2024 20:31:47 GMT
Without wanting to debate the whole "can you tell from the highlights" argument again, can you tell from the highlights? Nick? DaveU? Our commentators said it was clearly red, theirs said clearly not. Highlights can easily evidence when the ball was at least 2 feet over the line. But back to last night. It was a careless effort but who goes to head the ball with their arms down by their sides ? Yes, it deserved a booking fair enough but a red card for a solid challenge with zero malicious intent ? I don't think so. The ref got it wrong. Simple. Disappointingly our commentators got it wrong too. Their initial response was almost one of amusement to think Greenidge had flattened the opposition player. It was when the ref card began to emerge that they decided there was criminal intent that merited the maximum punishment. These things happen. Evening, not usually one to comment on here but thought I would at least defend our commentary position from last night. The view we had was in the top left of the stand, we were directly in line with the challenge. Reiss clearly led with his forearm and smashed it into Prior's face, he even looks down at Prior to check he is there, and then lands the arm and then heads the ball, in that order. Now, Dorking's viewpoint is much closer to the cameras in the middle of the stand (Dorking give a shit position to away media in the top left corner with the perspex and framework and floodlight and keep the good view for themselves in the middle of the stand, which is their right) and the replay clearly shows Prior's back to camera, meaning that view is restricted in showing what Reiss did as Prior's whole body is in the way. Bunch of Amachers footage apparently was from further left of us (down in the Stones fans somehow!?...) and that should show the arm leading into Prior's face (am not a subscriber/Patreon so haven't seen it back yet). So to answer the previous comments, we didn't get anything wrong, we called it how we saw it, which is our "job" as unpaid volunteers, we always state when we first get on air where the camera is relative to our commentary position, and on this occasion, we said the camera was to our right, and as you can tell, you see things different things from different areas of the pitch. And to answer the suspensions question, he will be banned for three games starting at Torquay, but he cannot serve his suspension while away for his country just because we play at the same time, so he will miss three Maidstone games for his suspension and then two more whilst he is away. The club will likely appeal it as the video evidence from the camera's view doesn't show everything, it all comes down to the referee and his report on this one, and I would be surprised if it got overturned personally from what we watched last night. Thanks for engaging with us, always enjoy getting feedback, but please do take into consideration why people say what they do on air and think about the view they have, we cannot always sit on the shoulders of our cameraman at away games, especially in the games when they are on the opposite side of the bloody pitch. Cheers. |
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Post by nick on Nov 6, 2024 21:26:27 GMT
Anyhow, no dispute it was a properly poor challenge and deserved a card, just the colour is the contentious bit.
Having looked at the replays of the incident multiple times, it shows Greenidge with both arms raised at the same height and angle.
It's what players so often do when they are challenging for the ball in the air.
One of these arms caught his opponent.
Still not convinced that it was a deliberate forearm smash designed to flatten the opponent.
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Post by pwoodstone on Nov 6, 2024 22:46:23 GMT
Looks more and more like a red to me. It’s not as if he is jumping up and using his arms as usual leverage. His momentum is sideways and leading with the arm.
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Post by jdl on Nov 7, 2024 0:11:10 GMT
Got round to the highlights eventually...
Impossible to judge Greenidge's foul from the camera angle, but, judging from Greenidge's reaction, and knowing him as a player, I think it was more likely to be careless, rather than intentional - a yellow, not a red.
Great goal from Blair though - Dorking weren't all over him like most clubs, so he had room to play. Lovely pass from Brookes too - he does those all the time, very talented for such a young player. For my money, George's best signing this season. Can't see us holding on to him next season though.
Least said about Ludicrous' miss the better...
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Post by nws on Nov 7, 2024 2:06:08 GMT
Looks more and more like a red to me. It’s not as if he is jumping up and using his arms as usual leverage. His momentum is sideways and leading with the arm. It's a red. You can't just smash people in the face with your elbow |
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Post by Benny on Nov 7, 2024 4:28:12 GMT
My instincts at the time said red. Nothing has happened since to change my mind. While everyone is targeting one particular player for abuse, maybe consider the rash actions of someone way more experienced who may have cost us two valuable away points. Happy with the point and general team performance.
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Post by foreststone on Nov 7, 2024 7:43:04 GMT
As far as I can tell from the highlights, there was no animosity between the players before the red card, so it wasn't premeditated. The Dorking tackle, flying in feet first, certainly was. Their player knew what he was doing, it was a potential leg/ankle breaker, but all he got was a yellow.
All we ask is for is consistency.
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Post by nick on Nov 7, 2024 7:57:56 GMT
Looks more and more like a red to me. It’s not as if he is jumping up and using his arms as usual leverage. His momentum is sideways and leading with the arm. It's a red. You can't just smash people in the face with your elbow Way OTT reaction as usual. It was more of a nudge not a smash. My good lady indoors gives me more than that when she's looking to get my attention. |
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