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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2024 11:08:55 GMT
Fair enough jdh.
I have no problem with STH's having priority either.
The club prob got it 95% right and given the timelines, thats not bad at all.
A few chancers got in through the back door.
Good luck to them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2024 11:44:24 GMT
As a ST holder, I am obviously biased, but the root of this problem isn't so much the fairness (or not) of the allocation system, it's that there aren't enough tickets to go round. Compare with Ipswich and Coventry - huge demand, but most people who wanted a ticket got one. Hence my view that these games should be held in neutral grounds.
With far fewer tickets available than are needed, any system is going to 'fail'.
My big concern is, having now discovered how the system can be misused, if exactly the same approach is used for the final (whether we're in it or not), it will be chaos. Once the 'ST only' link is revealed, anyone can buy as many tickets as they want - first come, first served. Hopefully, with a week to prepare, the club will be able to get physical tickets and do the usual thing instead.
Although, Chelmsford's weirdly named 'Melbourne' stadium only holds 3,000, so there'll be even fewer tickets to go round (450 - assuming 15%).
Of course, if we Braintree win on Saturday, and we beat Worthing, it's at home and I no longer care!
Apart from 50 Braintree fans getting a third of the Genco, of course...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2024 12:08:52 GMT
Unexpectedly, I have 2 adult tickets available for the AWAY end (Stones).
Face value price.
If interested, please PM.
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Post by applesnstones on Apr 26, 2024 12:17:21 GMT
I think with so few tickets a ballot system would have been fairer. I said it around the time of the Ipswich game, but a fan club / membership to use as a reliable database if nothing else would save the club so much hassle for times where tickets are in demand. It recognises that not everyone can afford / commit to a whole season of games and gives priority to those should have it. So the club have Season tickets and part of the season ticket is priority for big matches yet you want to set up a fan club/membership scheme meaning something else the club has to go through and spend money on for potentially 1-3 games a season and in most cases ZERO games per season. Whilst it's not perfect the Season ticket priority system that the club use is the best solution for the amount of times that this type of situation arises (Oh and i am saying this as someone who is NOT a season ticket holder and is not able to get a ticket) 22/23 NONE 21/22 Dorking away 20/21 NONE (the few games you could attend Hendon, Wimborne etc) 19/20 NONE 18/19 NONE 17/18 Possibly Cheltenham (I can't remember now) 16/17 NONE 15/16 Ebbsfleet Playoff Final Away So in the previous 8 season's 2 possibly three games have had any type of requirement like this. If this was a normal league game there would be no need for online ticketing as there would only be around 150-200 Maidstone fans going NWS has already mentioned he was at the league game away at Worthing as was I and neither of us are going this Sunday, BUT neither of us have an issue with how the club are allocating the tickets. Being a Season ticket holder gives you various perks, at Maidstone those perks are -- A number of games FOC when you purchase the season ticket -- Priority tickets for big match away games -- Early bird renewal price offers for the following season There is NO need for any other scheme membership program at all. Great post. The repeated demands from the more vindictive parts of the fanbase for away attendance to take priority over Season ticket holders are fundamentally flawed. The only scenario where a points system based on game attendances (both home and away) could be implemented is if the rest of the league adopts the same approach. As it stands, this would only be feasible with an improbable promotion to the EFL. Additionally, this same group of fans is unwilling to purchase a season ticket, making it impossible for the club to keep track of the games they attend. Isn't this another reason to buy a season ticket and support the club during the off-season? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2024 12:19:27 GMT
Unexpectedly, I have 2 adult tickets available for the AWAY end (Stones). Face value price. If interested, please PM. I have messaged you 🙂 |
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Post by applesnstones on Apr 26, 2024 12:26:39 GMT
As a ST holder, I am obviously biased, but the root of this problem isn't so much the fairness (or not) of the allocation system, it's that there aren't enough tickets to go round. Compare with Ipswich and Coventry - huge demand, but most people who wanted a ticket got one. Hence my view that these games should be held in neutral grounds. With far fewer tickets available than are needed, any system is going to 'fail'. My big concern is, having now discovered how the system can be misused, if exactly the same approach is used for the final (whether we're in it or not), it will be chaos. Once the 'ST only' link is revealed, anyone can buy as many tickets as they want - first come, first served. Hopefully, with a week to prepare, the club will be able to get physical tickets and do the usual thing instead. Although, Chelmsford's weirdly named 'Melbourne' stadium only holds 3,000, so there'll be even fewer tickets to go round (450 - assuming 15%). Of course, if we Braintree win on Saturday, and we beat Worthing, it's at home and I no longer care! Apart from 50 Braintree fans getting a third of the Genco, of course... Correct. It's also the same group of individuals who insist that season ticket holders are bad supporters because they pay upfront and then "don't attend games", which is a nonsensical and fundamentally false assumption. I find it strange that people on the Facebook group seem to hate the group that pays upfront, allowing the club to budget for player wages. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2024 13:21:44 GMT
Unexpectedly, I have 2 adult tickets available for the AWAY end (Stones). Face value price. If interested, please PM. I have messaged you 🙂 SOLD TO MEERKAT ! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2024 13:23:46 GMT
The use of larger neutral venues is something that fans themselves can influence if they can find an effective way of doing it. The FA itself has the semi-finals of the FA Cup at Wembley due to capacity challenges, so precedent is there, all that is needed now is fan power to be organised and mobilised to badger the administrators into doing something. An interesting argument to use that might be attractive of course is that greater capacity with greater attendance will mean more money through the gate and food and bar sales on the day. Literally a win-win situation.
Geography is only a problem for the National League itself as it covers the country, but there are many decent sized stadiums dotted around the country that could put on games. NLN and NLS are relatively regional so equidistant travel shouldn't be an issue. Stones & Worthing for example could use Crawley with a capacity of just over 6k. There's money to be made, but what is needed is vision and enthusiasm which sadly the NL board have been proven to have a short supply of.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2024 13:38:05 GMT
Still no response or apology from the club why so many season ticket holders, myself included, didn't receive the e mails regarding how to purchase tickets.
I can accept not getting tickets but being denied the opportunity to be in the scramble/lottery is not acceptable. How hard can it be to send an e mail to all season ticket holders?
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Post by stones1 on Apr 26, 2024 13:38:14 GMT
So the club have Season tickets and part of the season ticket is priority for big matches yet you want to set up a fan club/membership scheme meaning something else the club has to go through and spend money on for potentially 1-3 games a season and in most cases ZERO games per season. Whilst it's not perfect the Season ticket priority system that the club use is the best solution for the amount of times that this type of situation arises (Oh and i am saying this as someone who is NOT a season ticket holder and is not able to get a ticket) 22/23 NONE 21/22 Dorking away 20/21 NONE (the few games you could attend Hendon, Wimborne etc) 19/20 NONE 18/19 NONE 17/18 Possibly Cheltenham (I can't remember now) 16/17 NONE 15/16 Ebbsfleet Playoff Final Away So in the previous 8 season's 2 possibly three games have had any type of requirement like this. If this was a normal league game there would be no need for online ticketing as there would only be around 150-200 Maidstone fans going NWS has already mentioned he was at the league game away at Worthing as was I and neither of us are going this Sunday, BUT neither of us have an issue with how the club are allocating the tickets. Being a Season ticket holder gives you various perks, at Maidstone those perks are -- A number of games FOC when you purchase the season ticket -- Priority tickets for big match away games -- Early bird renewal price offers for the following season There is NO need for any other scheme membership program at all. Great post. The repeated demands from the more vindictive parts of the fanbase for away attendance to take priority over Season ticket holders are fundamentally flawed. The only scenario where a points system based on game attendances (both home and away) could be implemented is if the rest of the league adopts the same approach. As it stands, this would only be feasible with an improbable promotion to the EFL. Additionally, this same group of fans is unwilling to purchase a season ticket, making it impossible for the club to keep track of the games they attend. Isn't this another reason to buy a season ticket and support the club during the off-season? Fwiw I’m a season ticket holder and managed to secure a ticket for this one, so my post isn’t out of bitterness. Unfortunately for some, they cannot afford a lump sum during the off season for a season ticket, to be able to do so is a luxury and I don’t believe those who can’t afford to do so should be chastised for ‘not supporting the club’ For many work commitments get in the way, until last season I regularly worked weekends and as a result a season ticket just wasn’t a viable purchase as I knew I couldn’t commit to all the games. It’s not about ‘supporting the club’ it’s about not throwing your own money down the drain. I do agree the element of support that feel away support should take precedent are doing it just so they can moan at the club. Tbh I didn’t realise trying to think up a fairer way of doing things would be so controversial! |
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Post by applesnstones on Apr 26, 2024 13:54:26 GMT
Great post. The repeated demands from the more vindictive parts of the fanbase for away attendance to take priority over Season ticket holders are fundamentally flawed. The only scenario where a points system based on game attendances (both home and away) could be implemented is if the rest of the league adopts the same approach. As it stands, this would only be feasible with an improbable promotion to the EFL. Additionally, this same group of fans is unwilling to purchase a season ticket, making it impossible for the club to keep track of the games they attend. Isn't this another reason to buy a season ticket and support the club during the off-season? Fwiw I’m a season ticket holder and managed to secure a ticket for this one, so my post isn’t out of bitterness. Unfortunately for some, they cannot afford a lump sum during the off season for a season ticket, to be able to do so is a luxury and I don’t believe those who can’t afford to do so should be chastised for ‘not supporting the club’ For many work commitments get in the way, until last season I regularly worked weekends and as a result a season ticket just wasn’t a viable purchase as I knew I couldn’t commit to all the games. It’s not about ‘supporting the club’ it’s about not throwing your own money down the drain. I do agree the element of support that feel away support should take precedent are doing it just so they can moan at the club. Tbh I didn’t realise trying to think up a fairer way of doing things would be so controversial! I understand your perspective as a season ticket holder, and it's great that you were able to secure a ticket for this match. My intention wasn't to imply bitterness should instead come from the season ticket holders, but rather to address the flawed notion that away attendance should take priority over season ticket holders or that we (absurdly) do not care about the club. You raise valid points about affordability and work commitments affecting some fans' ability to purchase season tickets. It's definitely not about chastising those who can't afford it or who have other commitments; everyone's circumstances are different. However, my argument is more about fairness and practicality in managing attendance. While it's true that not everyone can commit to a season ticket, implementing a points system for attendance would require consistency across the league, which is currently not feasible. It's about finding a balance that respects all supporters, and prioritising season tickets is the only feasible way of doing this. It is also annoying that we constantly cop the flak whenever somebody missed out. Some fans push for away support to take precedence for their own advantage, rather than genuine concern for fairness. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2024 13:57:43 GMT
I doubt think there was anyone vindictive on here. Just a reasonable discussion. Someone deserving will always miss out. Ultimately, we took, say 200 there for the league game? We have 1,000 ST holders. Lots are going to feel hard done by.
Thinking back to the league game, it could be a squeeze...a wet squeeze if it rains?
The game itself is a great story. We have our cup run, Worthing have had a great season and are a story in their own right. We will have to be near our best. They've beaten us well there but against 10 for the majority of the game. I think we are in a much better place now than we were then. They've been pretty consistent through bar the poor start and a hammering at our place and a blip when the finish line was in sight but they've been wining every week for weeks now. Start fast, get the early goal and pick them off on the break. We will need to score 2 or 3 to win it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2024 13:58:29 GMT
Fwiw I’m a season ticket holder and managed to secure a ticket for this one, so my post isn’t out of bitterness. Unfortunately for some, they cannot afford a lump sum during the off season for a season ticket, to be able to do so is a luxury and I don’t believe those who can’t afford to do so should be chastised for ‘not supporting the club’ For many work commitments get in the way, until last season I regularly worked weekends and as a result a season ticket just wasn’t a viable purchase as I knew I couldn’t commit to all the games. It’s not about ‘supporting the club’ it’s about not throwing your own money down the drain. I do agree the element of support that feel away support should take precedent are doing it just so they can moan at the club. Tbh I didn’t realise trying to think up a fairer way of doing things would be so controversial! I understand your perspective as a season ticket holder, and it's great that you were able to secure a ticket for this match. My intention wasn't to imply bitterness should instead come from the season ticket holders, but rather to address the flawed notion that away attendance should take priority over season ticket holders or that we (absurdly) do not care about the club. You raise valid points about affordability and work commitments affecting some fans' ability to purchase season tickets. It's definitely not about chastising those who can't afford it or who have other commitments; everyone's circumstances are different. However, my argument is more about fairness and practicality in managing attendance. While it's true that not everyone can commit to a season ticket, implementing a points system for attendance would require consistency across the league, which is currently not feasible. It's about finding a balance that respects all supporters, and prioritising season tickets is the only feasible way of doing this. It is also annoying that we constantly cop the flak whenever somebody missed out. Some fans push for away support to take precedence for their own advantage, rather than genuine concern for fairness. Why would implementing a points system for attendance would require consistency across the league? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2024 14:07:44 GMT
Still no response or apology from the club why so many season ticket holders, myself included, didn't receive the e mails regarding how to purchase tickets. I can accept not getting tickets but being denied the opportunity to be in the scramble/lottery is not acceptable. How hard can it be to send an e mail to all season ticket holders? What did they say when you told them? Or did you email them? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2024 14:17:02 GMT
Still no response or apology from the club why so many season ticket holders, myself included, didn't receive the e mails regarding how to purchase tickets. I can accept not getting tickets but being denied the opportunity to be in the scramble/lottery is not acceptable. How hard can it be to send an e mail to all season ticket holders? What did they say when you told them? Or did you email them? I e-mailed them and asked the question but haven't received a response yet. I'm sure they are busy or maybe not anyone in the office at the moment but hopefully we get an explanation in the coming days otherwise I will start to believe what Sword and others have said in the past that they don't really value fans. Really hoping Braintree beat Chelmsford so we don't have to go through this again in the final. |
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