|
Post by yorkshirestone on Oct 16, 2019 11:12:09 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50069246Well this is interesting. It looks like they are trying to secure a place in the National League (presumably the North division). If they do have the cheek to try that on with help from the FA, it is an excellent opportunity for the FA and the NL to put more pressure on the EFL about artificial pitches, particularly as a different business plan might have prevented them being in this position in the first place. Given that Newport and Aldershot like us went to the very bottom, I hope that representations are made to the NL by our representatives if Bury are to be given such a lifeline. Thoughts?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 11:53:56 GMT
As I've said elsewhere, I feel sorry for the fans, but not a bit of sympathy for the club's administrators. If I shop at Waitrose when I've only got an Aldi budget, why should I then expect to be allowed to shop at Sainsbury's?
Seriously hope this doesn't happen, otherwise it's a slap in the face to all the 'phoenix' clubs that have worked out way back.
|
|
|
Post by jdl on Oct 16, 2019 12:03:44 GMT
NN would be taking the piss. They shouldn't be allowed in at any higher level than whatever the IS is oop north.
Or, better still, the Greater Manchester League, Div 4*
(*I might be making this up)
|
|
|
Post by Tstone on Oct 16, 2019 15:24:49 GMT
Make life interesting if they were put in Isthmian North (I know there's no chance of that!)
|
|
|
Post by sword65 on Oct 16, 2019 15:48:54 GMT
The problem with Bury is a matter of safety as their away following maybe to much for grounds in the North West Counties league where they should start. They have stated that they will take upwards of 2000 to away games which is more than some NWC ground capacities causing a safety risk and more expenses for the home side who will doubtless have to havea largeish police presence though a 2000 crowd would offset that expense somewhat. I would just like to see that many turning up at Prestwich or Squires Gate it would be utter chaos. I think they should be placed at step 4 NPL for the above reason but no higher or this will send a bad message out to other badly run clubs.
|
|
|
Post by Bernie on Oct 16, 2019 17:14:44 GMT
Do Bury take 2000 away? Maybe take off a zero for local fixtures.
|
|
|
Post by pedant on Oct 16, 2019 17:15:03 GMT
Logic would say that the National League shouldn't touch this with a barge pole.
Surely it needs to be seen to be standing up for the pyramid and not turn the League into the rehabilitation ward for the EFL?
However, sword's point on safety has some validity - although making all their away games all-ticket might ease the problem.
I do confidently predict that the powers that be of the National League, based on their track record of logical decisions, will cock this one up as well.
|
|
|
Post by sword65 on Oct 16, 2019 17:23:43 GMT
Do Bury take 2000 away? Maybe take off a zero for local fixtures. Their estimate not mine but I am with you will 2000 be interested at that level? Time will tell.
|
|
|
Post by Raymondo316 on Oct 16, 2019 18:05:12 GMT
FCUM, Hereford, AFC Wimbledon, Chester etc all took big away followings when they started and they didn't seem to have any problems.
So Bury really can't use the excuse that clubs won't be able to handle their away support.
|
|
|
Post by Bernie on Oct 16, 2019 19:40:26 GMT
Is this a new Bury, or the same ones who destroyed it? I would want to see some kind of due diligence on their finances and owners by the National League.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 21:32:37 GMT
Make life interesting if they were put in Isthmian North (I know there's no chance of that!) That's about where Bury Town (not to be confused with Bury, yorkshirestone) were, the last time I looked...
|
|
|
Post by jdl on Oct 16, 2019 21:39:47 GMT
Logic would say that the National League shouldn't touch this with a barge pole. Surely it needs to be seen to be standing up for the pyramid and not turn the League into the rehabilitation ward for the EFL? However, sword's point on safety has some validity - although making all their away games all-ticket might ease the problem. I do confidently predict that the powers that be of the National League, based on their track record of logical decisions, will cock this one up as well. That battle (if there ever was one) was lost years ago. The NL exists to allow EFL teams to recuperate and money-bags teams easy entry into the EFL. Pyramid, schmyramid.
|
|
|
Post by russc on Oct 16, 2019 21:57:55 GMT
There was a really interesting discussion on League club finances on 5Live tonight. Mark Paleos from Tranmere was on among others. The interview with former Notts County owner Alan Hardy should be required listening for any would be football club owner.
The stats around Championship finances were pretty scary. All have playing budgets near or often above 100% of their income. They are all killing themselves trying to reach the promised land of the Premier League. It reminds me a lot of the National League
Well worth listening to the programme on BBC Sounds or whatever. It was on at 7pm this evening
|
|
|
Post by Tstone on Oct 17, 2019 10:23:52 GMT
Make life interesting if they were put in Isthmian North (I know there's no chance of that!) That's about where Bury Town (not to be confused with Bury, yorkshirestone) were, the last time I looked... Spot on. Bury vs Bury may confuse some supporters as to which ground to attend.
|
|
|
Post by yorkshirestone on Oct 17, 2019 11:16:22 GMT
The problem with Bury is a matter of safety as their away following maybe to much for grounds in the North West Counties league where they should start. They have stated that they will take upwards of 2000 to away games which is more than some NWC ground capacities causing a safety risk and more expenses for the home side who will doubtless have to havea largeish police presence though a 2000 crowd would offset that expense somewhat. I would just like to see that many turning up at Prestwich or Squires Gate it would be utter chaos. I think they should be placed at step 4 NPL for the above reason but no higher or this will send a bad message out to other badly run clubs. Precedent actually works against this argument. FC United of Manchester when first formed and with a large fan base of disenfranchised Manchester Utd supporters started in the NW Counties League and their first competitive game saw a crowd of just under 3000 at Leek County School Old Boys - someone I've never heard of and I doubt many on here will have so I doubt their facilities were up to much - although clearly around 3k capacity. Interestingly FCUM's highest attendance that season (2005-06) was 6032 their final home game of the season - a record that still stands for that division. I would suggest that Bury's unfortunate fanbase is unlikely to be as big as FCUM's was at the time. Ironically FCUM played their home games that season at..............Gigg Lane - home of Bury FC. Oh, and if away support numbers dictated which division a club plays in, Leeds would never have been relegated from the PL let alone spent three years in League 1!
|
|