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Post by Better things to do in life on Sept 23, 2019 8:05:29 GMT
Sorry Sword, but I couldn't agree with you less. If you read John's book you'll see there was violence at matches in the 1890s and the the 1980s. It's nothing new and to blame the town's problems on Londoners and Eastern Europeans is sad. Sorry to disagree with you but members of my family feel they are no longer safe walking around Maidstone especially alone something they never had a problem with a few years back. They say the same of Chatham as well. It doesnt affect me but I listen to others and the stories they tell me are quite frightening especially for women. Now I know there will be women who say that this is not so but these women live with it everyday and are hardened to it,used to it but for infrequent visitors it can be a worry. More and more of my family now do their shopping on line to avoid our town centres which is why more and more shops are going to the wall. I dont frequent Maidstone of an evening now that I have moved away but when I did I was openly offered drugs on the streets whilst the police sat in their nice warm cars on jubilee square, they need to get out in numbers and get things sorted that's what you are paying your council tax for. I can see the same thing is gradually happening in Tonbridge which in years to come will probably be the London borough of Tonbridge with its excellent rail connections, let's face it London transport buses now travel as far as Sevenoaks,so I am told,and that is only 10 minutes down the road. Will Brexit make a difference? I hope so we need foreign workers but we dont need the scum that come with them so keep the nice hard workers who want to make a future for themselves and their families but wheedle out the criminal aspect and get rid of them before it's too late.something needs to be done or Maidstone will end up a filthy toilet like so many other towns across the country and that would break what is left of my already shattered heart. Well said Sword.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Sept 23, 2019 8:07:25 GMT
Sorry to disagree with you but members of my family feel they are no longer safe walking around Maidstone especially alone something they never had a problem with a few years back. They say the same of Chatham as well. It doesnt affect me but I listen to others and the stories they tell me are quite frightening especially for women. Now I know there will be women who say that this is not so but these women live with it everyday and are hardened to it,used to it but for infrequent visitors it can be a worry. More and more of my family now do their shopping on line to avoid our town centres which is why more and more shops are going to the wall. I dont frequent Maidstone of an evening now that I have moved away but when I did I was openly offered drugs on the streets whilst the police sat in their nice warm cars on jubilee square, they need to get out in numbers and get things sorted that's what you are paying your council tax for. I can see the same thing is gradually happening in Tonbridge which in years to come will probably be the London borough of Tonbridge with its excellent rail connections, let's face it London transport buses now travel as far as Sevenoaks,so I am told,and that is only 10 minutes down the road. Will Brexit make a difference? I hope so we need foreign workers but we dont need the scum that come with them so keep the nice hard workers who want to make a future for themselves and their families but wheedle out the criminal aspect and get rid of them before it's too late.something needs to be done or Maidstone will end up a filthy toilet like so many other towns across the country and that would break what is left of my already shattered heart. Sigh this does get tedious. I've was in Maidstone a week or two ago and saw nothing threatening. I heard no foreign accents. Oh and if people are criminals they can be deported. Rather than tar every Eastern European why not complain about the dangerous and irresponsible cuts in police numbers. Virtually all of the Brexit protagonists have supported it (including the current hero, Alex Johnson). While there is not much research on the subject, two studies on Eastern European immigration to the UK and its effects on crime found that it was minimal. www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/immigration-and-crime-is-there-a-link-93521Incidentally, this huge incident in Maidstone on Saturday. Where can I read up on it? I can't find it No foreign accents? NWS that is absurd. Turn your hearing aid up. Or maybe you didn't go to the Mall, Week Street or Stone Street.
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Post by Nick on Sept 23, 2019 8:17:56 GMT
I hear a pretty diverse range of accents in the town centre including South African, Polish, Nepalese etc So what ? It doesn't make any of them scum. Scumbags are a scourge of our society, but then to bang on about nationality, ethnicticity and brexit is total boll--ks !
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Post by sword65 on Sept 23, 2019 8:27:26 GMT
Brendan Donnelly posted video footage on Facebook entitle another night in Maidstone with drugs and guns. You wanna call Brendan a liar,good luck . I went down to Herne Bay last week couldnt see any sea or a beach and never heard a single sea gull,dont know why it's called a bay. His timeline is full of far-right bullshit. Sword, I remember standing alongside you at Greenwich, around 2004. A black player was abused by one of fans, we thought, although it turned out he was a relative of one of players. You told him he was out of order and said you'd back up the victim if he wanted to make a complaint. I know you are better than this. I dont care whether a person is black ,white or f**king green this isn't about racism this is about people this is about people who disgrace our society,disgrace our laws. Yes the British are just as bad but we can't do anything about them only lock them up and theres little point in that . This is about those who come to this country and willingly commit criminal offences and we can do something about that but we dont. Yes I remember the incident though not sure it was Greenwich,and I would do the same tomorrow for any of our current crop of players, I haven't changed but the world is changing and people need to wake up to the fact before it's too late.
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Post by sword65 on Sept 23, 2019 8:49:09 GMT
I hear a pretty diverse range of accents in the town centre including South African, Polish, Nepalese etc So what ? It doesn't make any of them scum. Scumbags are a scourge of our society, but then to bang on about nationality, ethnicticity and brexit is total boll--ks ! You wrote this as if I have said that they are all scum which I have never at anytime said. There are many who work hard to make a better life for themselves and their children but those 95% are let down by the 5% who want everything for nothing. I am unable to work anymore due to I'll health and disabilities but I put in 35 years hard graft and then had to get down on my hands and knees to beg for some money to live on and yet some of these 5% have been in the country 10 minutes and all they have to do is put their hand out and we fill full of pound notes that are then used to finance their criminal activities. This country doesnt need these people, Maidstone doesnt need these people . Keep the good but throw out the rubbish
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Post by distantfan on Sept 23, 2019 9:29:11 GMT
Maidstone has never been a very violent place, but for all of my life there’s been white English on white English drunken violence and aggression in the town centre when the pubs chucked out. Many of my friends and even family, male and female, were threatened or assaulted by white English men in alcohol related incidents back in the 80s and 90s. No doubt some of my white mates assaulted others. There were fights at Maidstone games – English white on English white.
Yet we don’t characterise an entire section of the white population as ‘scum’ unless they can prove otherwise. Because when the problems are caused by white English people we see them as individuals.
How about we extend the same courtesy to people whether they speak a different mother tongue, have a different religion or different skin colour. Most people are decent in all communities. Some aren’t. That’s because of them as individuals not because of the community they come from.
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Post by daveu on Sept 23, 2019 10:18:50 GMT
I hear a pretty diverse range of accents in the town centre including South African, Polish, Nepalese etc So what ? It doesn't make any of them scum. Scumbags are a scourge of our society, but then to bang on about nationality, ethnicticity and brexit is total boll--ks ! You wrote this as if I have said that they are all scum which I have never at anytime said. There are many who work hard to make a better life for themselves and their children but those 95% are let down by the 5% who want everything for nothing. I am unable to work anymore due to I'll health and disabilities but I put in 35 years hard graft and then had to get down on my hands and knees to beg for some money to live on and yet some of these 5% have been in the country 10 minutes and all they have to do is put their hand out and we fill full of pound notes that are then used to finance their criminal activities. This country doesnt need these people, Maidstone doesnt need these people . Keep the good but throw out the rubbish There are plenty of posts in the political waffle thread where you have branded entire nations as misogenist criminal scum. I have no desire to re-read through all the mindless hate on that thread to find them again but they are there.
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Post by Nick on Sept 23, 2019 12:16:49 GMT
Even if you are right sword about 5% of European immigrants being scum and criminals which I very much doubt, by the use of your language and targeting Europeans, you are fermenting hatred towards all 'foreigners'. Not good sword on a public forum. I appreciate your attitudes are deeply entrenched but please give it a rest
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Post by nws on Sept 23, 2019 12:36:49 GMT
Sigh this does get tedious. I've was in Maidstone a week or two ago and saw nothing threatening. I heard no foreign accents. Oh and if people are criminals they can be deported. Rather than tar every Eastern European why not complain about the dangerous and irresponsible cuts in police numbers. Virtually all of the Brexit protagonists have supported it (including the current hero, Alex Johnson). While there is not much research on the subject, two studies on Eastern European immigration to the UK and its effects on crime found that it was minimal. www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/immigration-and-crime-is-there-a-link-93521Incidentally, this huge incident in Maidstone on Saturday. Where can I read up on it? I can't find it No foreign accents? NWS that is absurd. Turn your hearing aid up. Or maybe you didn't go to the Mall, Week Street or Stone Street. So we have gone from the claims of an 'infested town' with foreigners on every corner waiting to do you over to having to go to three particular streets. When I go to these streets and experience the same thing then what will be the next parameter, that wasn't in the claim, I failed to note? I might suggest that members of Sword's family don't feel safe because they have lots of people telling them nonsense (such as the on the every corner mularky) and that they are in great danger.
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Post by nws on Sept 23, 2019 12:43:44 GMT
I hear a pretty diverse range of accents in the town centre including South African, Polish, Nepalese etc So what ? It doesn't make any of them scum. Scumbags are a scourge of our society, but then to bang on about nationality, ethnicticity and brexit is total boll--ks ! You wrote this as if I have said that they are all scum which I have never at anytime said. There are many who work hard to make a better life for themselves and their children but those 95% are let down by the 5% who want everything for nothing. I am unable to work anymore due to I'll health and disabilities but I put in 35 years hard graft and then had to get down on my hands and knees to beg for some money to live on and yet some of these 5% have been in the country 10 minutes and all they have to do is put their hand out and we fill full of pound notes that are then used to finance their criminal activities. This country doesnt need these people, Maidstone doesnt need these people . Keep the good but throw out the rubbish Firstly, while I realise that you yearn for a 1950s Britain, pound notes went out a long time ago. You say that we don't need criminals. I think I said earlier but you choose not to listen because it does not fit the narrative, the EU agrees with you. You can keep out or deport criminals. Please read the FACTS below rather than a Facebook page. fullfact.org/europe/explaining-eu-deal-deporting-eu-immigrants/or have a look at section 5 of this www.gov.uk/government/publications/immigration-statistics-april-to-june-2017/how-many-people-are-detained-or-returned
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Post by nws on Sept 23, 2019 12:55:26 GMT
Sorry to disagree with you but members of my family feel they are no longer safe walking around Maidstone especially alone something they never had a problem with a few years back. They say the same of Chatham as well. It doesnt affect me but I listen to others and the stories they tell me are quite frightening especially for women. Now I know there will be women who say that this is not so but these women live with it everyday and are hardened to it,used to it but for infrequent visitors it can be a worry. More and more of my family now do their shopping on line to avoid our town centres which is why more and more shops are going to the wall. I dont frequent Maidstone of an evening now that I have moved away but when I did I was openly offered drugs on the streets whilst the police sat in their nice warm cars on jubilee square, they need to get out in numbers and get things sorted that's what you are paying your council tax for. I can see the same thing is gradually happening in Tonbridge which in years to come will probably be the London borough of Tonbridge with its excellent rail connections, let's face it London transport buses now travel as far as Sevenoaks,so I am told,and that is only 10 minutes down the road. Will Brexit make a difference? I hope so we need foreign workers but we dont need the scum that come with them so keep the nice hard workers who want to make a future for themselves and their families but wheedle out the criminal aspect and get rid of them before it's too late.something needs to be done or Maidstone will end up a filthy toilet like so many other towns across the country and that would break what is left of my already shattered heart. Well said Sword. It was quite good until the last three lines. You may protest otherwise (but it won't be true) but the post above lays all the blame for drugs, crime and Maidstone going downhill at the feet of foreigners. It's laughable...so very, very laughable. I agree that I don't want scumbags coming from elsewhere. Equally so I don't want any of the scumbags that originate on these shores. Why is it only foreign people that are getting maligned here? Are you convinced that drugs started when foreigners from Eastern Europe started 'flooding' in? The film Trainspotting came out in 1996 and depicted a drugs culture already prevalent in many cities and towns in this country. That was a year before Mr Blair even came to power! You label yourself Oldboy and then seem to forget the riots and problems in Thatcher's time or maybe the punks and gluesniffing. Far from my hearing aid needing checking (or maybe my map being limited to two houses in Maidstone - probably your next qualification) you may need to go for a senility check.
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Post by sword65 on Sept 23, 2019 12:55:36 GMT
You wrote this as if I have said that they are all scum which I have never at anytime said. There are many who work hard to make a better life for themselves and their children but those 95% are let down by the 5% who want everything for nothing. I am unable to work anymore due to I'll health and disabilities but I put in 35 years hard graft and then had to get down on my hands and knees to beg for some money to live on and yet some of these 5% have been in the country 10 minutes and all they have to do is put their hand out and we fill full of pound notes that are then used to finance their criminal activities. This country doesnt need these people, Maidstone doesnt need these people . Keep the good but throw out the rubbish Firstly, while I realise that you yearn for a 1950s Britain, pound notes went out a long time ago. You say that we don't need criminals. I think I said earlier but you choose not to listen because it does not fit the narrative, the EU agrees with you. You can keep out or deport criminals. Please read the FACTS below rather than a Facebook page. fullfact.org/europe/explaining-eu-deal-deporting-eu-immigrants/Then why aren't we doing it. Pound notes is a saying not meant literally you have out pedanted pedant and that takes some doing.
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Post by sword65 on Sept 23, 2019 13:01:14 GMT
Even if you are right sword about 5% of European immigrants being scum and criminals which I very much doubt, by the use of your language and targeting Europeans, you are fermenting hatred towards all 'foreigners'. Not good sword on a public forum. I appreciate your attitudes are deeply entrenched but please give it a rest Your wish is my command.
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Post by sword65 on Sept 23, 2019 13:08:04 GMT
I see things that you that you see differently but I am wrong and you are right I say thing that you hear differently but I am wrong and you are right I write thing that you read differently but I am wrong and you are right. As of now you will here nothing again or read nothing again from me on any subject it's up to you if you close your eyes to what's happening. I will say goodbye,it was fun whilst it lasted and to clear up one last point I am not Dave Harris.
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Post by nws on Sept 23, 2019 13:12:52 GMT
Sigh this does get tedious. I've was in Maidstone a week or two ago and saw nothing threatening. I heard no foreign accents. Oh and if people are criminals they can be deported. Rather than tar every Eastern European why not complain about the dangerous and irresponsible cuts in police numbers. Virtually all of the Brexit protagonists have supported it (including the current hero, Alex Johnson). While there is not much research on the subject, two studies on Eastern European immigration to the UK and its effects on crime found that it was minimal. www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/immigration-and-crime-is-there-a-link-93521Incidentally, this huge incident in Maidstone on Saturday. Where can I read up on it? I can't find it Brendan Donnelly posted video footage on Facebook entitle another night in Maidstone with drugs and guns. You wanna call Brendan a liar,good luck . I went down to Herne Bay last week couldnt see any sea or a beach and never heard a single sea gull,dont know why it's called a bay. I don't claim that the sea or beach is infesting the town on every corner. It's called a Bay because there is a bay there. Again, I don't claim that the Bay is in every part of the town. I have to say that your analogy is a little silly. My name, for instance, means from the Adriatic yet I have never been there. Firstly, I asked where I could find out about all these drugs raids etc. I was hoping to get a better news source that someone's facebook page (that does rather sum Brexit up). Can you provide a link to this video so I can see what you are on about because, again, I cannot find it. Meanwhile, have a look at this: www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/drinkers-caught-being-drunk-on-a-a77120/The report is all about drunkenness in Maidstone. There are two pictures and both are of girls. It seems not all women are that frightened and threatened by being on a night out in Maidstone.
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