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Post by Better things to do in life on Aug 21, 2019 8:55:48 GMT
Just to raise another controversial topic, just saw Clunis score for Dulwich from a long throw against St Albans, so its clearly still a good goalscoring tactic in NLS, despite all the previous downbeat comments that "we never scored from a Flish throw" etc.
Especially for us, surely, with a narrow pitch???
Trouble is, who can do a long throw in our current team? Pennell can, but he's not good at left back, and CH is covered (thank God) by George and Ryan.
I'm sure there is another player with a decent throw in our team but I cant remember who it was - anyone know? If so, we need to develop that tactic.
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Post by sword65 on Aug 21, 2019 9:27:50 GMT
Just to raise another controversial topic, just saw Clunis score for Dulwich from a long throw against St Albans, so its clearly still a good goalscoring tactic in NLS, despite all the previous downbeat comments that "we never scored from a Flish throw" etc. Especially for us, surely, with a narrow pitch??? Trouble is, who can do a long throw in our current team? Pennell can, but he's not good at left back, and CH is covered (thank God) by George and Ryan. I'm sure there is another player with a decent throw in our team but I cant remember who it was - anyone know? If so, we need to develop that tactic. Don't understand the concern with the narrowness of the pitch as it's only a handful of yards and that should make no difference to a professional squad. The pitch must be inside the acceptable parameters or we wouldn't be allowed to play there. Perhaps if we stopped hoofing the ball it might,just might stay in play.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Aug 21, 2019 10:02:57 GMT
Just to raise another controversial topic, just saw Clunis score for Dulwich from a long throw against St Albans, so its clearly still a good goalscoring tactic in NLS, despite all the previous downbeat comments that "we never scored from a Flish throw" etc. Especially for us, surely, with a narrow pitch??? Trouble is, who can do a long throw in our current team? Pennell can, but he's not good at left back, and CH is covered (thank God) by George and Ryan. I'm sure there is another player with a decent throw in our team but I cant remember who it was - anyone know? If so, we need to develop that tactic. Don't understand the concern with the narrowness of the pitch as it's only a handful of yards and that should make no difference to a professional squad. The pitch must be inside the acceptable parameters or we wouldn't be allowed to play there. Perhaps if we stopped hoofing the ball it might,just might stay in play. Not a concern Sword just seeing how we can use it to our advantage and long throws into the box just short of the keeper has to be a threat
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Post by sword65 on Aug 21, 2019 10:38:43 GMT
Don't understand the concern with the narrowness of the pitch as it's only a handful of yards and that should make no difference to a professional squad. The pitch must be inside the acceptable parameters or we wouldn't be allowed to play there. Perhaps if we stopped hoofing the ball it might,just might stay in play. Not a concern Sword just seeing how we can use it to our advantage and long throws into the box just short of the keeper has to be a threat Valid point but lots of people keep on about the narrowness of the pitch ,it is what it is,live with it.To these people I ask would you rather have a narrower pitch at JWW or one 10 yds wider 5 miles out of town that is inaccessible by public transport and attracts 500 people instead of 2000. I'll take it as it is .
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Post by daveu on Aug 21, 2019 10:43:31 GMT
Just to raise another controversial topic, just saw Clunis score for Dulwich from a long throw against St Albans, so its clearly still a good goalscoring tactic in NLS, despite all the previous downbeat comments that "we never scored from a Flish throw" etc. Especially for us, surely, with a narrow pitch??? Trouble is, who can do a long throw in our current team? Pennell can, but he's not good at left back, and CH is covered (thank God) by George and Ryan. I'm sure there is another player with a decent throw in our team but I cant remember who it was - anyone know? If so, we need to develop that tactic. Don't understand the concern with the narrowness of the pitch as it's only a handful of yards and that should make no difference to a professional squad. The pitch must be inside the acceptable parameters or we wouldn't be allowed to play there. Perhaps if we stopped hoofing the ball it might,just might stay in play. I'm not entirely convinced that our pitch is as narrow as some people claim. If you look at the dashes on the goal lines, just outside the penalty area, they have to be 10 yards from the outside of the corner quadrants (11 yards from the touchline), and they look to be at least a yard outside the penalty area, possible more. Therefore the pitch is at least 68 yards wide (Penalty area 44yards + another 12 yards to each touchline) which would make it as wide as some Premier League pitches and wider than a few (Wolves being a measly 44). www.football-stadiums.co.uk/articles/are-all-football-pitches-the-same-size/
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Post by pedant on Aug 21, 2019 10:53:11 GMT
Don't understand the concern with the narrowness of the pitch as it's only a handful of yards and that should make no difference to a professional squad. The pitch must be inside the acceptable parameters or we wouldn't be allowed to play there. Perhaps if we stopped hoofing the ball it might,just might stay in play. I'm not entirely convinced that our pitch is as narrow as some people claim. If you look at the dashes on the goal lines, just outside the penalty area, they have to be 10 yards from the outside of the corner quadrants (11 yards from the touchline), and they look to be at least a yard outside the penalty area, possible more. Therefore the pitch is at least 68 yards wide (Penalty area 44yards + another 12 yards to each touchline) which would make it as wide as some Premier League pitches and wider than a few ( Wolves being a measly 44). www.football-stadiums.co.uk/articles/are-all-football-pitches-the-same-size/Think you meant "64"?
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Post by daveu on Aug 21, 2019 11:35:05 GMT
I'm not entirely convinced that our pitch is as narrow as some people claim. If you look at the dashes on the goal lines, just outside the penalty area, they have to be 10 yards from the outside of the corner quadrants (11 yards from the touchline), and they look to be at least a yard outside the penalty area, possible more. Therefore the pitch is at least 68 yards wide (Penalty area 44yards + another 12 yards to each touchline) which would make it as wide as some Premier League pitches and wider than a few ( Wolves being a measly 44). www.football-stadiums.co.uk/articles/are-all-football-pitches-the-same-size/Think you meant "64"? Indeed, still had the width of the penalty area in my mind.
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Post by hongkongstone on Aug 22, 2019 1:54:29 GMT
Don't understand the concern with the narrowness of the pitch as it's only a handful of yards and that should make no difference to a professional squad. The pitch must be inside the acceptable parameters or we wouldn't be allowed to play there. Perhaps if we stopped hoofing the ball it might,just might stay in play. I'm not entirely convinced that our pitch is as narrow as some people claim. If you look at the dashes on the goal lines, just outside the penalty area, they have to be 10 yards from the outside of the corner quadrants (11 yards from the touchline), and they look to be at least a yard outside the penalty area, possible more. Therefore the pitch is at least 68 yards wide (Penalty area 44yards + another 12 yards to each touchline) which would make it as wide as some Premier League pitches and wider than a few (Wolves being a measly 44). www.football-stadiums.co.uk/articles/are-all-football-pitches-the-same-size/Be careful not to confuse metres and yards. Molineux is 64 metres wide which is equivalent to 70 yards, hence by your assumptions at 68 yards we are still narrower. I will send for Jacob Rees-Mogg to give you a lecture about the correct use of cubit rods per cable furlong right away.
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Post by jdl on Aug 22, 2019 13:39:59 GMT
20 point deduction for use of the JR-M word.
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Post by holysmokes66 on Aug 22, 2019 15:08:34 GMT
Just to raise another controversial topic, just saw Clunis score for Dulwich from a long throw against St Albans, so its clearly still a good goalscoring tactic in NLS, despite all the previous downbeat comments that "we never scored from a Flish throw" etc. Especially for us, surely, with a narrow pitch??? Trouble is, who can do a long throw in our current team? Pennell can, but he's not good at left back, and CH is covered (thank God) by George and Ryan. I'm sure there is another player with a decent throw in our team but I cant remember who it was - anyone know? If so, we need to develop that tactic. I genuinely can't believe that in a starting 11 of fit, athletic men, who are generally under 30, that there isn't one who can throw a ball that distance with a certain amount of oomph. I honestly think I could give it a damn good go and I am definitely not a fit, athletic man, under 30... I say that generally too, for most teams at our level or below, which to me questions the effectiveness of the tactic. You'd think, if it was a good tactic, a non-league managers first drill at a new club would be to see which of his players can lob a ball the furthest, as it is effectively a corner from further infield, but how often do you see it? I may be way off here, but it just seems it's completely out of favour and a rarely, if really ever, used tactic that you (me certainly) would assumed more than a very select amount of people can do effectively...? Wanding a free kick into the top corner is a freakish level of skill, but walloping a ball into the mix doesn't strike me as taking the same level of skill...
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Post by shamstone on Aug 22, 2019 15:27:43 GMT
So, we’re trying to build a football team. Let’s see who could throw it the longest?
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Post by pedant on Aug 22, 2019 16:20:52 GMT
Just to raise another controversial topic, just saw Clunis score for Dulwich from a long throw against St Albans, so its clearly still a good goalscoring tactic in NLS, despite all the previous downbeat comments that "we never scored from a Flish throw" etc. Especially for us, surely, with a narrow pitch??? Trouble is, who can do a long throw in our current team? Pennell can, but he's not good at left back, and CH is covered (thank God) by George and Ryan. I'm sure there is another player with a decent throw in our team but I cant remember who it was - anyone know? If so, we need to develop that tactic. I genuinely can't believe that in a starting 11 of fit, athletic men, who are generally under 30, that there isn't one who can throw a ball that distance with a certain amount of oomph. I honestly think I could give it a damn good go and I am definitely not a fit, athletic man, under 30... I say that generally too, for most teams at our level or below, which to me questions the effectiveness of the tactic. You'd think, if it was a good tactic, a non-league managers first drill at a new club would be to see which of his players can lob a ball the furthest, as it is effectively a corner from further infield, but how often do you see it? I may be way off here, but it just seems it's completely out of favour and a rarely, if really ever, used tactic that you (me certainly) would assumed more than a very select amount of people can do effectively...? Wanding a free kick into the top corner is a freakish level of skill, but walloping a ball into the mix doesn't strike me as taking the same level of skill... Not been to the home games this season then?
Slough and one of the other two seemed to use a long throw extensively. Having said that Slough stopped sometime during the second half which made me wonder if their specialist had been substituted.
Obviously I wasn't paying proper attention, but at least I was there
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Post by jdl on Aug 22, 2019 17:31:01 GMT
We need to know if long throws are worth the bother - how often do they result in goals?
I suspect the answer is 'almost never', so coaches don't bother to develop players with long throw potential. If you've got one who's good at them anyway, like Flish, then fine, but otherwse there are other, more important things to work on.
Mind you, if we didn't bother coaching for things that rarely produce goals, we wouldn't bother with corners or free-kicks either!
Or maybe we don't...
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Post by pedant on Aug 22, 2019 17:44:55 GMT
We need to know if long throws are worth the bother - how often do they result in goals? I suspect the answer is 'almost never', so coaches don't bother to develop players with long throw potential. If you've got one who's good at them anyway, like Flish, then fine, but otherwse there are other, more important things to work on. Mind you, if we didn't bother coaching for things that rarely produce goals, we wouldn't bother with corners or free-kicks either! Or maybe we don't... Some coaching on throws, long or otherwise, would be a bonus.
Hoyte either has no idea what to do with them or our other right-sided players don't give him the required options. But currently the time he takes for his throws are a booking just waiting to happen.
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Post by sword65 on Aug 22, 2019 19:32:54 GMT
We need to know if long throws are worth the bother - how often do they result in goals? I suspect the answer is 'almost never', so coaches don't bother to develop players with long throw potential. If you've got one who's good at them anyway, like Flish, then fine, but otherwse there are other, more important things to work on. Mind you, if we didn't bother coaching for things that rarely produce goals, we wouldn't bother with corners or free-kicks either! Or maybe we don't... Some coaching on throws, long or otherwise, would be a bonus.
Hoyte either has no idea what to do with them or our other right-sided players don't give him the required options. But currently the time he takes for his throws are a booking just waiting to happen.
I am watching the Skatonics at the Pantiles Tun Wells so f**k the long throws 🎶🎶🎶🎶longshot kick de bucket,yeh🎶🎶🎶
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