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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 2:25:49 GMT
Sad to say but I can see us banning drinking why watching the game. You just know idiots will start throwing pints across the segregation ''fence'' and boom one of the few decent things about being in this league will be taken away. Invalid theory as anything can be thrown across the segregation anyway, money hungry directors won’t lose the 80k a season. Maybe the club could arrange for the contents to be collected at the bottom of the segregation tarpaulin, and then re-sold to the away supporters. Money spinner?
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Post by Bernie on Aug 6, 2019 2:55:50 GMT
Another result will be a return to visiting teams changing ends if they win the toss. A minor inconvenience for fans, but maybe a contributing factor to poor home form. It also doesn't feel like a home end when you lose half of it.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Aug 6, 2019 6:55:47 GMT
Another result will be a return to visiting teams changing ends if they win the toss. A minor inconvenience for fans, but maybe a contributing factor to poor home form. It also doesn't feel like a home end when you lose half of it. Yes definitely an over reaction and disappointing as losing segregation was one of the plusses of being in NLS. Hopefully after only a few games with a handful of plucky and trouble free visitors feeling lost in the vastness of the Genco segregation will be relaxed again.
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Post by pwoodstone on Aug 6, 2019 8:28:48 GMT
Another result will be a return to visiting teams changing ends if they win the toss. A minor inconvenience for fans, but maybe a contributing factor to poor home form. It also doesn't feel like a home end when you lose half of it. Yes definitely an over reaction and disappointing as losing segregation was one of the plusses of being in NLS. Hopefully after only a few games with a handful of plucky and trouble free visitors feeling lost in the vastness of the Genco segregation will be relaxed again. It’s a reaction, not an overreaction. The club will factor in many things. The Weymouth fans were quite willing to stay in the TE. Imagine if they wanted to stand behind the goal they attacked in the first half. Our knuckle draggers would not have liked it and there would have been carnage and everyone would have been saying how silly it was to attempt a non segregated game.
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Post by cornerstone on Aug 6, 2019 8:51:58 GMT
No over reaction by the club. Perhaps we should of stayed segregated for this game as it was always going to be a "big" one as first of the season but give credit to the owners for giving it a go. Not their fault a few mindless idiots spoil it for the majority. People complaining that the reaction of the security team was over the top, well just imagine what it would be like without them there?! I, for one, am glad they are there as without them the situation could have been much worse and someone could have got seriously hurt. Then the comments would have been why no security/stewards?
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Post by holysmokes66 on Aug 6, 2019 10:01:08 GMT
That will happen if beer finds its way onto players on the pitch. I was told a beer ban was imposed at Welling late into last season after someone threw a pint at a visiting keeper.
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Post by sword65 on Aug 6, 2019 10:04:40 GMT
No over reaction by the club. Perhaps we should of stayed segregated for this game as it was always going to be a "big" one as first of the season but give credit to the owners for giving it a go. Not their fault a few mindless idiots spoil it for the majority. People complaining that the reaction of the security team was over the top, well just imagine what it would be like without them there?! I, for one, am glad they are there as without them the situation could have been much worse and someone could have got seriously hurt. Then the comments would have been why no security/stewards? I would much rather see security there than a dozen policemen who would be very intimidating. But it would help if one or two of them were not,to quote daveu,knuckle dragging lunkheads like the crowd they are stewarding. Yes a handful of Weymouth fans spoilt the day but ask yourself a question were there actions any worse than some of our fans at away games and include myself in that as I should have been arrested at Cheltenham in th fa cup for completely losing it with 3 St John's ambulance workers. Right I don't remember any of our fans invading the pitch in recent years, apart from when we gave won the league or a cup ,but we have caused stewards a few problems especially with our overwhelming numbers. I agree that teams like Wealdstone,Dartford and Dulwich should be segregated in the Genco end and Tonbridge should be segregated with us inside the ground and them outside but every other club should be ok. I hope this is just a knee jerk reaction that can be reviewed after a while.
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Post by jdl on Aug 6, 2019 10:14:56 GMT
Sad to say but I can see us banning drinking why watching the game. You just know idiots will start throwing pints across the segregation ''fence'' and boom one of the few decent things about being in this league will be taken away. Invalid theory as anything can be thrown across the segregation anyway, money hungry directors won’t lose the 80k a season. Our local stadium, here in Hungary, has a mesh curtain hanging down from the roof in the middle of the segregation area. It doesn't look much, but it's actually very effective - stops anything thrown from reaching the other side. Relatively cheap solution too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 10:30:07 GMT
Invalid theory as anything can be thrown across the segregation anyway, money hungry directors won’t lose the 80k a season. Our local stadium, here in Hungary, has a mesh curtain hanging down from the roof in the middle of the segregation area. It doesn't look much, but it's actually very effective - stops anything thrown from reaching the other side. Relatively cheap solution too. Hang on, on the Welling thread you intimated you lived in Ashford - make your mind up!
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Post by jdl on Aug 6, 2019 11:43:09 GMT
Our local stadium, here in Hungary, has a mesh curtain hanging down from the roof in the middle of the segregation area. It doesn't look much, but it's actually very effective - stops anything thrown from reaching the other side. Relatively cheap solution too. Hang on, on the Welling thread you intimated you lived in Ashford - make your mind up! You know how to wound - Ashford! Maidstone, mostly, and Debrecen (Hungary) school holidays.
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Post by cornerstone on Aug 6, 2019 13:00:48 GMT
No over reaction by the club. Perhaps we should of stayed segregated for this game as it was always going to be a "big" one as first of the season but give credit to the owners for giving it a go. Not their fault a few mindless idiots spoil it for the majority. People complaining that the reaction of the security team was over the top, well just imagine what it would be like without them there?! I, for one, am glad they are there as without them the situation could have been much worse and someone could have got seriously hurt. Then the comments would have been why no security/stewards? I would much rather see security there than a dozen policemen who would be very intimidating. But it would help if one or two of them were not,to quote daveu,knuckle dragging lunkheads like the crowd they are stewarding. Yes a handful of Weymouth fans spoilt the day but ask yourself a question were there actions any worse than some of our fans at away games and include myself in that as I should have been arrested at Cheltenham in th fa cup for completely losing it with 3 St John's ambulance workers. Right I don't remember any of our fans invading the pitch in recent years, apart from when we gave won the league or a cup ,but we have caused stewards a few problems especially with our overwhelming numbers. I agree that teams like Wealdstone,Dartford and Dulwich should be segregated in the Genco end and Tonbridge should be segregated with us inside the ground and them outside but every other club should be ok. I hope this is just a knee jerk reaction that can be reviewed after a while. It doesn't matter what our fans do at other stadiums or what happens in general at other stadiums. We have to look at ourselves and see what is the best way forward for the benefit of both the club and the fans.
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Post by Bernie on Aug 7, 2019 19:53:20 GMT
WEYMOUTH STATEMENT:
“The Board of Directors of Weymouth FC would like to thank the vast majority of Terras fans for their magnificent support on our return to the Vanarama National South League at Maidstone.
“However, Weymouth FC and the Football Association will not tolerate unauthorized encroachment onto the field of play. It is a criminal offence under the Football (Offences) Act 1991.
“Any person proved to have committed such an offence will be dealt with severely by Weymouth FC and, if necessary, the Police.
“The maximum punishment for such an offence is imprisonment and/or a lifetime Football Banning Order, which will mean a ban from either a particular ground or All Football Matches.
“The Weymouth FC Board of Directors will be reviewing all evidence from the game at Maidstone before taking appropriate action.
“All supporters are reminded that they represent the club when travelling to away grounds either on the official supporter’s coach or under their own steam and that their actions could have repercussions for the Club as well as themselves. We urge them to act accordingly, as they have done so superbly for many years.
“Once again thank you to those that behaved impeccably and helped the team achieve its first victory of the new season.”
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Post by margate on Aug 7, 2019 20:47:29 GMT
Dont tar them all with the same brush. Yes some of the actions were not great but no one got hurt and our stewards didnt help matters.Being petty over not having a shirt on really Here we go again. It's always the stewards' fault, never the bellends behaving like knuckle dragging morons. Stewards at Gallagher Stadium famously overly officious. Even causing trouble with Dulwich fans.
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Post by moley on Aug 7, 2019 21:11:14 GMT
A reminder of what I wrote in IAGA in early 2016:-
SEGREGATION
An unfortunate fact of life as we move higher, on the face of it, but I can’t help wondering if it is really necessary except in the most exceptional of circumstances.
My point is, stick fans in cages, especially those who are not used to it, and it encourages less good behaviour. Let me explain further, put distance and/or barriers between people and they feel much safer abusing those on the other side, they can’t be got at you see. All our would be badly behaved away fan needs to do is escape too much attention from the stewards, and his (it’s usually a he) day out is complete, free to hurl mindless abuse, probably as an escape from an inadequate existence. Would the same man hurl the same abuse if the people they were shouting at were actually standing next to them, within touching distance? It’s not impossible of course, that’s where good alert stewarding comes in, but it is, based on experience, a lot more unlikely.
Of course, when we play a team from the Football League, especially one like Yeovil who had even briefly been in the Championship, then segregation should be assumed and only lifted if there is very good reason not to have it (e.g. Stevenage). I don’t think many of the travelling Yeovil fans remember their non-league days too well, and certainly not enough to remember what is acceptable in an unsegregated stadium, unlike say an Ebbsfleet, Margate or a Wealdstone.
The mention of who brings me quite neatly on to one of the weirder decisions this season. I fully understand why a game against Wealdstone might be segregated on a Saturday, when a large crowd and a reasonable away following might be expected, and there is a little, shall we say “history”, but on a windy shitty Tuesday night when only a few diehard away fans could be expected to turn up. Really?
If the club is worried about congestion at the better attended matches, then perhaps a decently stewarded but loose “Home Fans Only” policy for the Town End would be a better and more non confrontational policy. Not having an ”away end” would mean that “all ticket” would only need to be used when the whole ground is expected to fill, not just when the away end is predicted to reach capacity. It would need to be well publicised to the away team beforehand, but given the away clubs co-operation it would be well worth a try.
I wrote in the last IAGA about the trust placed in us by Dartford last November and it will be a huge shame for all of us if this cannot be repaid. It would be an even bigger shame, in fact a huge travesty, if Dulwich gain promotion and the club felt the misguided need to pen their magnificent fans in to one corner of the ground.
It’s not what non-league football is about.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Aug 7, 2019 22:34:06 GMT
A reminder of what I wrote in IAGA in early 2016:- SEGREGATION An unfortunate fact of life as we move higher, on the face of it, but I can’t help wondering if it is really necessary except in the most exceptional of circumstances. My point is, stick fans in cages, especially those who are not used to it, and it encourages less good behaviour. Let me explain further, put distance and/or barriers between people and they feel much safer abusing those on the other side, they can’t be got at you see. All our would be badly behaved away fan needs to do is escape too much attention from the stewards, and his (it’s usually a he) day out is complete, free to hurl mindless abuse, probably as an escape from an inadequate existence. Would the same man hurl the same abuse if the people they were shouting at were actually standing next to them, within touching distance? It’s not impossible of course, that’s where good alert stewarding comes in, but it is, based on experience, a lot more unlikely. Of course, when we play a team from the Football League, especially one like Yeovil who had even briefly been in the Championship, then segregation should be assumed and only lifted if there is very good reason not to have it (e.g. Stevenage). I don’t think many of the travelling Yeovil fans remember their non-league days too well, and certainly not enough to remember what is acceptable in an unsegregated stadium, unlike say an Ebbsfleet, Margate or a Wealdstone. The mention of who brings me quite neatly on to one of the weirder decisions this season. I fully understand why a game against Wealdstone might be segregated on a Saturday, when a large crowd and a reasonable away following might be expected, and there is a little, shall we say “history”, but on a windy shitty Tuesday night when only a few diehard away fans could be expected to turn up. Really? If the club is worried about congestion at the better attended matches, then perhaps a decently stewarded but loose “Home Fans Only” policy for the Town End would be a better and more non confrontational policy. Not having an ”away end” would mean that “all ticket” would only need to be used when the whole ground is expected to fill, not just when the away end is predicted to reach capacity. It would need to be well publicised to the away team beforehand, but given the away clubs co-operation it would be well worth a try. I wrote in the last IAGA about the trust placed in us by Dartford last November and it will be a huge shame for all of us if this cannot be repaid. It would be an even bigger shame, in fact a huge travesty, if Dulwich gain promotion and the club felt the misguided need to pen their magnificent fans in to one corner of the ground. It’s not what non-league football is about. No segregation at Welling on Tuesday with Stones fans all over the ground in numbers...……...no problems at all, just good spirits and peaceful co-existence. It is indeed what non-league football is all about. Moley is spot on. Lets only segregate when its really needed.
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