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Post by nws on Oct 17, 2019 23:15:31 GMT
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Post by 61666 on Oct 18, 2019 8:01:45 GMT
Seems pretty hard evidence to me and, heaven forbid that if he does get the vote, letting this parliament run its course may not be the worst thing. The opposition parties could ensure that the government's slender majority moderates things a little, although it is arguable that they should be given enough slack to make the complete bollix of things that many of us feel is inevitable, while Jezza will probably be too old to continue as Labour leader by 2022 and we get someone more worth voting for. It could even turn out that Buck Foris really is the best thing since sliced bread and Cove the Gunt is also a thoroughly nice guy. Not holding my breath on that one, mind - but you never know!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 8:23:46 GMT
I thought their majority was about minus 45 currently?
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Post by nws on Oct 19, 2019 23:19:10 GMT
I thought their majority was about minus 45 currently? I think you may have confused their majority with their IQ
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Post by 61666 on Oct 22, 2019 7:32:04 GMT
Getting a majority for anything in parliament this week could be a challenge. Found myself getting close to not giving a toss about brexit, so deep have the maschinations become, but realised I still needed to know. Well, a bit anyway. What did I 'learn'? Rather than just giving MPs a yes or no on the political declaration for brexit. Buck Foris has now introduced a 110 page bill that includes all the legal stuff associated with it and wants this passing in three days. Common sense says that ain't going to happen. Having spent three years picking over the basic political agreement, MPs are not going to let this one go without a fight. And why should they? Within those 110 pages, there are sure to be all sorts of controversial things the FB wants to hide. With less than nine days to go before the 31/10 deadline, can on see one conclusion. This is a thinly disguised plan to ensure we crash out via a no deal, from which a few will get very rich and the rest of us will be plunged back into austerity. Time to book a last minute booze run to Calais.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 8:46:44 GMT
If you do that, let me recommend the excellent Calais Vins just off J44 of the bypass, as well as the obvious Carrefour (and is there still a Tesco?)
Do Benn and Letwin's amendments allow a no deal to happen?
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Post by nws on Oct 22, 2019 21:21:04 GMT
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Post by nws on Oct 22, 2019 21:24:38 GMT
Getting a majority for anything in parliament this week could be a challenge. Found myself getting close to not giving a toss about brexit, so deep have the maschinations become, but realised I still needed to know. Well, a bit anyway. What did I 'learn'? Rather than just giving MPs a yes or no on the political declaration for brexit. Buck Foris has now introduced a 110 page bill that includes all the legal stuff associated with it and wants this passing in three days. Common sense says that ain't going to happen. Having spent three years picking over the basic political agreement, MPs are not going to let this one go without a fight. And why should they? Within those 110 pages, there are sure to be all sorts of controversial things the FB wants to hide. With less than nine days to go before the 31/10 deadline, can on see one conclusion. This is a thinly disguised plan to ensure we crash out via a no deal, from which a few will get very rich and the rest of us will be plunged back into austerity. Time to book a last minute booze run to Calais. No. I think it is designed to fail. He will then campaign at a General Election as the man who could have achieved Brexit if it wasn't for that pesky remain Parliament and that intransigent EU. People who don't read things and don't change their mind even when hard evidence is provided will then flock to him in droves because they think he will deliver Brexit. He won't because he knows it is rubbish but by then he will have his five year term.
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Post by 61666 on Oct 22, 2019 21:28:24 GMT
Could be right, thought gawd know what sort Machiavellian plans are cooking at the moment.
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Post by malibustacey on Oct 23, 2019 14:49:56 GMT
Pretty much everything he’s done since becoming PM has been designed to fail, so that he can blame someone else. He gets to present himself as the saviour - It’s like deliberately conceding a penalty that you then save... just for the credit... except they score
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Post by Better things to do in life on Oct 23, 2019 16:21:57 GMT
If everything everyone says about Boris on this thread is true, he is the most astute amazing skilful, influential and tactically and strategically brilliant PM we have ever had to be so clever as to engineer every single up and down of this Brexit saga for his own personal political and financial gain.
For goodness sake give it a rest. If he came up with a cure for Cancer you lot would find a way of construing that he only did it for personal riches.
You don't like the guy - we all get it - now PLEASE change the record.
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Post by hongkongstone on Oct 23, 2019 17:26:01 GMT
If everything everyone says about Boris on this thread is true, he is the most astute amazing skilful, influential and tactically and strategically brilliant PM we have ever had to be so clever as to engineer every single up and down of this Brexit saga for his own personal political and financial gain. For goodness sake give it a rest. If he came up with a cure for Cancer you lot would find a way of construing that he only did it for personal riches. You don't like the guy - we all get it - now PLEASE change the record. Either I am completely missing your sarcasm (woosh accepted) or you have never had the misfortune of having to deal with the guy professionally.
For example, one time prior to an official function where he was to speak about the company I worked for at the time., I was required to write a 400 word brief for him. After the official instruction was issued to me I shortly after received a second, personal message from his private office saying "don't worry too much about anything after the first paragraph - he never reads past the first paragraph". And true to form when he was opening the event.........
A total chancer who makes it up as he goes along to suit his own agenda (being hisself).
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Post by daveu on Oct 23, 2019 19:00:43 GMT
If everything everyone says about Boris on this thread is true, he is the most astute amazing skilful, influential and tactically and strategically brilliant PM we have ever had to be so clever as to engineer every single up and down of this Brexit saga for his own personal political and financial gain. For goodness sake give it a rest. If he came up with a cure for Cancer you lot would find a way of construing that he only did it for personal riches. You don't like the guy - we all get it - now PLEASE change the record. You continue to worship him if you must, but don't try to shut down opinions you disagree with...oh I forgot you're a brexiteer, it's what you do.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Oct 24, 2019 11:22:58 GMT
If everything everyone says about Boris on this thread is true, he is the most astute amazing skilful, influential and tactically and strategically brilliant PM we have ever had to be so clever as to engineer every single up and down of this Brexit saga for his own personal political and financial gain. For goodness sake give it a rest. If he came up with a cure for Cancer you lot would find a way of construing that he only did it for personal riches. You don't like the guy - we all get it - now PLEASE change the record. You continue to worship him if you must, but don't try to shut down opinions you disagree with...oh I forgot you're a brexiteer, it's what you do. Not shutting down opinions, Dave, nor do I worship any man, just actually feel sorry for Boris for the amount of rubbish he has to put up with when he is just trying to do a job. As for him always doing things for himself, who would willingly take such a tortuous and painful route to do that as to be PM right now? Sorry, your argument doesnt stack up. As for him not wanting to read a 400 page brief beyond the first paragraph and doing his own thing at an event, he is no different to any Senior Executive or Government Minister I have worked with over 35 years doing business in those circles. They just don't have time to read such missives,including my own Senior Management But, of course, because its Boris, you want to heap a characteristic common to all Senior people as unique to him in a megacritical manner. That's not an opinion its a targeted attack and is also born out of some ignorance about how Senior People actually work. Its becoming quite nasty. I could launch similar character assassinations of Bercow, Corbyn and many others, but its just not necessary or productive. By all means have views on leave/Remain, but the constant vile personal abuse of the people involved is really not necessary, and they are all as bad as each other in what you are accusing one of over another - they are all politicians, they all work exactly the same. e.g Bercow seems to be on his own agenda, but is in a role where he is not supposed to have one!
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Post by malibustacey on Oct 24, 2019 11:26:19 GMT
I’d stop my ‘abuse’ (I’d call it mistrust) if he stopped lying.
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