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Post by daveu on May 21, 2019 9:41:10 GMT
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Post by sword65 on May 21, 2019 9:57:32 GMT
Reading this you have to wonder how many players there are out there who are of the same opinion that they don't want to play on 3G. This surely makes singing players doubly difficult for JS2.
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Post by Better things to do in life on May 21, 2019 10:04:39 GMT
Reading this you have to wonder how many players there are out there who are of the same opinion that they don't want to play on 3G. This surely makes singing players doubly difficult for JS2. No wonder we aren't signing any if we are expecting them to sing as well sword!
This 3G causing injuries or making injuries worse thing is definitely gaining momentum and may become a problem for us for sure if it gets much more airtime.
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Post by pwoodstone on May 21, 2019 10:08:11 GMT
I saw someone ask Oliver on Twitter if the 3G causes players to turn us down. He says it has happened!
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Post by Better things to do in life on May 21, 2019 10:56:48 GMT
I saw someone ask Oliver on Twitter if the 3G causes players to turn us down. He says it has happened! Shame. It certainly does feel like the bold 3G revolution which has served us so well does seem to be on its way to finally being put down by the establishment - certainly at EFL and also at NL, maybe even NLS level as well.
It has been happening by degrees for quite some time, and the tide seems to be increasingly going the wrong way.
No panic, we are where we are with it for the foreseeable future but it is looking more likely that at some point in that future JWW will have its plastic ripped up for grass, it will be just a case of carefully planning and budgetting for when. That Riverside stand may have to wait a bit longer!
But there again anything can happen in football.
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Post by daveu on May 21, 2019 10:59:01 GMT
The problem is of course that any player getting injured on 3G almost automatically assumes that it is a contributing factor. How they can be sure that exactly the same injury wouldn't have occurred in the same circumstances playing on grass isn't clear. Studies show that the number and type of injuries sustained on 3G is broadly similar to those on grass but how you convince a player who has just got injured playing on 3G that this is the case is certainly a problem.
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Post by Nick on May 21, 2019 11:00:37 GMT
The 3G revolution is here to stay, more and more non EFL league clubs are converting. Its the only way a community club like MUFC and others can thrive and if that means no progression to EFL, sobeit.
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Post by pwoodstone on May 21, 2019 11:07:48 GMT
The 3G revolution is here to stay, more and more non EFL league clubs are converting. Its the only way a community club like MUFC and others can thrive and if that means no progression to EFL, sobeit. Also, the younger players coming through will be more au fait with it and it will be accepted
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Post by hammerstone on May 21, 2019 11:07:59 GMT
I don’t think 3G pitches will ever be allowed into the league period, and the call for the FA to change this gets weaker every season.
When 94% of players from the PFA say they don’t want the pitches for whatever reason, that’s a large volume in comparison to Oliver Ash and co banging away at the issue.
Wenger said when they played Ostersunds a while back it was a good pitch but can’t really see the need for it in the EFL because of good groundsmen, so it’s really only a small handful of clubs in comparison to the EFLs big voices calling for it.
I’m not sure when our pitch will need to be relayed, but with a life span of say 10 years I imagine when we come to the decision what we do next will basically depend on if the club have improved in anyway. If we are knocking on the door of league 2 after several potential good seasons in the NL it would be considered, but unless we get different owners I can’t see grass being installed until other viable revenue streams come in, as it makes the club a fair wedge.
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Post by Better things to do in life on May 21, 2019 11:14:44 GMT
The 3G revolution is here to stay, more and more non EFL league clubs are converting. Its the only way a community club like MUFC and others can thrive and if that means no progression to EFL, sobeit. I don't disagree with the second bit Nick but is the first bit correct? Which EFL's are going 3G?
I thought the problem was that EFL clubs can afford excellent groundsmen and grass for their main pitch, and also can own their own separate training grounds on grass and/or 3G, therefore making 3G for your main pitch purely a solution for small non-league clubs (As we were when we first got 3G) because of the business model of all round usage, and reduced upkeep costs, which EFL just doesn't need?
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Post by pwoodstone on May 21, 2019 11:57:45 GMT
The more and more clubs that struggle to break even, will eventually lead to a few league clubs wanting to go The 3G way I reckon.
That’ll be the turning point
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Post by headstone on May 21, 2019 12:55:30 GMT
The 3G revolution is here to stay, more and more non EFL league clubs are converting. Its the only way a community club like MUFC and others can thrive and if that means no progression to EFL, sobeit. I don't disagree with the second bit Nick but is the first bit correct? Which EFL's are going 3G?
I thought the problem was that EFL clubs can afford excellent groundsmen and grass for their main pitch, and also can own their own separate training grounds on grass and/or 3G, therefore making 3G for your main pitch purely a solution for small non-league clubs (As we were when we first got 3G) because of the business model of all round usage, and reduced upkeep costs, which EFL just doesn't need?
Glasses on? Nick said NON EFL clubs!
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Post by Better things to do in life on May 21, 2019 13:58:59 GMT
I don't disagree with the second bit Nick but is the first bit correct? Which EFL's are going 3G?
I thought the problem was that EFL clubs can afford excellent groundsmen and grass for their main pitch, and also can own their own separate training grounds on grass and/or 3G, therefore making 3G for your main pitch purely a solution for small non-league clubs (As we were when we first got 3G) because of the business model of all round usage, and reduced upkeep costs, which EFL just doesn't need?
Glasses on? Nick said NON EFL clubs! Yup, spotted that after I sent it! Sorry Nick! Yes, 3G is for small non-league community clubs but probably not for NL or EFL.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 15:53:04 GMT
I don’t think 3G pitches will ever be allowed into the league period, and the call for the FA to change this gets weaker every season. When 94% of players from the PFA say they don’t want the pitches for whatever reason, that’s a large volume in comparison to Oliver Ash and co banging away at the issue. Wenger said when they played Ostersunds a while back it was a good pitch but can’t really see the need for it in the EFL because of good groundsmen, so it’s really only a small handful of clubs in comparison to the EFLs big voices calling for it. I’m not sure when our pitch will need to be relayed, but with a life span of say 10 years I imagine when we come to the decision what we do next will basically depend on if the club have improved in anyway. If we are knocking on the door of league 2 after several potential good seasons in the NL it would be considered, but unless we get different owners I can’t see grass being installed until other viable revenue streams come in, as it makes the club a fair wedge. Has it broken down, should we call the AA, and where are we relaying it to?
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Post by ronaldostone on May 21, 2019 17:29:04 GMT
Frannie Collin - stones legend
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