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Post by daveu on May 22, 2019 8:01:49 GMT
daveu doesn't use four letter words! You obviously weren't near me in the Main Stand when I let slip a c-bomb at Nathan Ashmore's time wasting.
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Post by Better things to do in life on May 22, 2019 9:29:21 GMT
Interesting that none of us really know what a full time or a part time non-league player actually is considering it was such a big decision for MUFC to go from one to the other when we got promoted from NLS to NL last time. ]
It seems that FT is a regular wage - throughout the summer - which is high enough (£30k? £40k+?) for the player not to need another job...........
............but they have plenty of time for doing stuff on the side (paid, if they have a cash in hand trade or unpaid, like the academy!) because as well as the long summer months they are only needed four weekday mornings and a Saturday morning and afternoon or Tuesday afternoon and evening. Or do they just laze that time away?
That's probably why its not public domain as those of us who work proper long hours - or would love to work proper hours but are unable for health or other reasons - might get a tad upset!
At the end of the day the real issue is whether or not the players are passionate and full on for the club and team on the pitch. My old school view would be to do that you make them come into the JWW every day to do something, but I'm just an oldboy living in the past!
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Post by jdl on May 22, 2019 12:23:37 GMT
It's all the same thing, really.
Day time training = no second job = decent salary (and paid through the summer).
However people define it, that's what it comes down to.
Unfortunately, it also means a much bigger playing budget and a 'team' of journeyman failed EFL players who couldn't care less which club they play for.
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Post by daveu on May 22, 2019 12:50:49 GMT
It's all the same thing, really. Day time training = no second job = decent salary (and paid through the summer). However people define it, that's what it comes down to. Unfortunately, it also means a much bigger playing budget and a 'team' of journeyman failed EFL players who couldn't care less which club they play for. Rubbish. Going FT was never the problem, crap recruitment was, especially this season.
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Post by Better things to do in life on May 22, 2019 13:17:42 GMT
It's all the same thing, really. Day time training = no second job = decent salary (and paid through the summer). However people define it, that's what it comes down to. Unfortunately, it also means a much bigger playing budget and a 'team' of journeyman failed EFL players who couldn't care less which club they play for. Rubbish. Going FT was never the problem, crap recruitment was, especially this season. I think there is truth in both views here.
When we were Part Time (Or Semi Pro as us old boys prefer to call it) under Jay we had a Manager who could motivate players in that world to perform and also be passionate. That's unquestionable.
However, it seems that when we went "Full Time" (as only football can define it!) it did seem that the club lacked the experience in both recruiting, and motivating, players who lived in that privileged FT world (which isn't really FT to a "normal" working man or woman).
This was then made worse by asking the Clown to both recruit and motivate such FT players.
So, our trust is now that JS2 and HH can both recruit and motivate players who are paid "Full Time" but will also perform passionately for us in NLS.
They don't seem (so far) to have looked at failed EFL/NL/NLS journeymen who are just grateful for a job, any job and any old club, but have so far have recruited relatively young players who seem to be excited to have lost being PT/Semipro (and, I suppose therefore having lost needing a second job?) and become officially "professional" footballers as their incentive to give their all for us.
But, to be fair, we have only recruited two players so far to measure this by, so we need to be patient (lol) and wait to see who they get in.
Also, apparently, despite the retained list, and if it is deadline day today for decisions, will we get some of last seasons journeymen accepting contracts today as they cant find anything else? I hope not!
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Post by jdl on May 22, 2019 20:14:56 GMT
It's all the same thing, really. Day time training = no second job = decent salary (and paid through the summer). However people define it, that's what it comes down to. Unfortunately, it also means a much bigger playing budget and a 'team' of journeyman failed EFL players who couldn't care less which club they play for. Rubbish. Going FT was never the problem, crap recruitment was, especially this season. Going 'full-time' without the means to do it, was the problem. Hence, my "much bigger playing budget and a 'team' of journeyman failed EFL players who couldn't care less which club they play for" comment.
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Post by daveu on May 23, 2019 8:04:32 GMT
Rubbish. Going FT was never the problem, crap recruitment was, especially this season. Going 'full-time' without the means to do it, was the problem. Hence, my "much bigger playing budget and a 'team' of journeyman failed EFL players who couldn't care less which club they play for" comment. But your last sentence is entirely 100% down to recruitment. Going full time didn't force us to recruit those players. It started out with lack of clarity about Jays future during pre-season meaning recruitment was delayed, and was followed up by the disastrous revolving door policy of The Clown. You seem to have this bee in your bonnet about the club going full time. Would we be any better off staying part time? There's absolutely no evidence to support such a claim.
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Post by Better things to do in life on May 23, 2019 8:19:33 GMT
Going 'full-time' without the means to do it, was the problem. Hence, my "much bigger playing budget and a 'team' of journeyman failed EFL players who couldn't care less which club they play for" comment. But your last sentence is entirely 100% down to recruitment. Going full time didn't force us to recruit those players. It started out with lack of clarity about Jays future during pre-season meaning recruitment was delayed, and was followed up by the disastrous revolving door policy of The Clown. You seem to have this bee in your bonnet about the club going full time. Would we be any better off staying part time? There's absolutely no evidence to support such a claim. I used to think us going FT was a mistake, but I realise now that FT is a different beast to what I thought it was and isn't as relevant as I thought it was and that it was the recruitment of certain players after we went FT that was the real issue.
I don't think the club understood the FT world enough to get the right FT players in, especially when we were led by a clown.
This season its looking like HH and JS2 know how and who to recruit into the FT world - even for NLS - and although we still have a number of players to find (yes yes yes I know there's still time don't blow a gasket, just stating the fact) the real test, of course, will be how they all perform on the pitch next season. Things seem to be shaping up nicely though. COYS!
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