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Post by Better things to do in life on May 21, 2019 9:11:17 GMT
Or, more specifically in Non-League football terms? I'm really confused by this. Callum Davies at Folkestone is described on his Wikipedia profile as a "Professional Footballer" but surely he is not full time at Invicta and has a "day job"?
i.e. Is he what we use to call "semi-professional" or did that term go out of use at the same time as footballs with laces and referees no longer wearing only black?
I thought MUFC in NLS before in the Flish and Millsy days was part-time in the old semi-pro sense, but there again what did those players do as "other jobs" and what happened to those jobs when we went "full-time?".
Are what we now call PT and FT terms not what I think they are? Is it just about how many days training you do, how much you are paid, and no-one actually needs to do other jobs at all anymore?
Also, if four mornings of training is FT, what do players do for the rest of the week? Full time in my world, and a lot of other peoples worlds I am sure, is leaving at 0630 to get to work by 0830 until 5pm then a two hour commute to be home by 7pm, five days a week!
Anyone care to shed any light?
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Post by sword65 on May 21, 2019 9:44:34 GMT
Or, more specifically in Non-League football terms? I'm really confused by this. Callum Davies at Folkestone is described on his Wikipedia profile as a "Professional Footballer" but surely he is not full time at Invicta and has a "day job"?
i.e. Is he what we use to call "semi-professional" or did that term go out of use at the same time as footballs with laces and referees no longer wearing only black?
I thought MUFC in NLS before in the Flish and Millsy days was part-time in the old semi-pro sense, but there again what did those players do as "other jobs" and what happened to those jobs when we went "full-time?".
Are what we now call PT and FT terms not what I think they are? Is it just about how many days training you do, how much you are paid, and no-one actually needs to do other jobs at all anymore?
Also, if four mornings of training is FT, what do players do for the rest of the week? Full time in my world, and a lot of other peoples worlds I am sure, is leaving at 0630 to get to work by 0830 until 5pm then a two hour commute to be home by 7pm, five days a week!
Anyone care to shed any light?
Although I am no longer able to work I have always believed that full time workers were 40+ hours per week and anything less was part -time. When I wad looking after my mother I had to switch to 30 hours a week part -time but by requesting it on a monthly basis I kept my full time contract. Therefore imo 4 mornings a week = 20 hours add let's say on average 10 hours every match day then that equals 30 hours or more if we have 2 games per week that rises to nearer 40 hours so imo they are part timers who are fleecing clubs of money that many clubs can ill afford. Maybe they should tske it in turn to cut the grass to make their hours up😁
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Post by Better things to do in life on May 21, 2019 9:56:22 GMT
Or, more specifically in Non-League football terms? I'm really confused by this. Callum Davies at Folkestone is described on his Wikipedia profile as a "Professional Footballer" but surely he is not full time at Invicta and has a "day job"?
i.e. Is he what we use to call "semi-professional" or did that term go out of use at the same time as footballs with laces and referees no longer wearing only black?
I thought MUFC in NLS before in the Flish and Millsy days was part-time in the old semi-pro sense, but there again what did those players do as "other jobs" and what happened to those jobs when we went "full-time?".
Are what we now call PT and FT terms not what I think they are? Is it just about how many days training you do, how much you are paid, and no-one actually needs to do other jobs at all anymore?
Also, if four mornings of training is FT, what do players do for the rest of the week? Full time in my world, and a lot of other peoples worlds I am sure, is leaving at 0630 to get to work by 0830 until 5pm then a two hour commute to be home by 7pm, five days a week!
Anyone care to shed any light?
Although I am no longer able to work I have always believed that full time workers were 40+ hours per week and anything less was part -time. When I wad looking after my mother I had to switch to 30 hours a week part -time but by requesting it on a monthly basis I kept my full time contract. Therefore imo 4 mornings a week = 20 hours add let's say on average 10 hours every match day then that equals 30 hours or more if we have 2 games per week that rises to nearer 40 hours so imo they are part timers who are fleecing clubs of money that many clubs can ill afford. Maybe they should tske it in turn to cut the grass to make their hours up😁 Well we expected Jay to drive the minibus so surely full time players need to be doing something at JWW or elsewhere for the club for at least 40 hours a week? No?
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Post by sword65 on May 21, 2019 9:59:43 GMT
Although I am no longer able to work I have always believed that full time workers were 40+ hours per week and anything less was part -time. When I wad looking after my mother I had to switch to 30 hours a week part -time but by requesting it on a monthly basis I kept my full time contract. Therefore imo 4 mornings a week = 20 hours add let's say on average 10 hours every match day then that equals 30 hours or more if we have 2 games per week that rises to nearer 40 hours so imo they are part timers who are fleecing clubs of money that many clubs can ill afford. Maybe they should tske it in turn to cut the grass to make their hours up😁 Well we expected Jay to drive the minibus so surely full time players need to be doing something at JWW or elsewhere for the club for at least 40 hours a week? No? YES!
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Post by Better things to do in life on May 21, 2019 10:07:13 GMT
Well we expected Jay to drive the minibus so surely full time players need to be doing something at JWW or elsewhere for the club for at least 40 hours a week? No? YES! Might not be how it works, now, though Sword - that's what I'm trying to find out.
Surely Nick knows? Or DaveU?
Are our FT players in NLS actually PT (by mine and Swords definition) but getting a FT wage?
Surely then they should be queueing up for a job at JWW!
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Post by pwoodstone on May 21, 2019 10:11:22 GMT
I think if you are paid to play football as your main wage, your a professional.
If you are paid but your main wage comes from elsewhere, you are semi-pro.
Full time is simply the club saying you need to be available for training in the mornings.
Different clubs have different ideas of full time but it’s the making yourself available to train whenever the club want you and also make yourself abailvem for the club whenever called upon
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Post by Better things to do in life on May 21, 2019 10:25:54 GMT
I think if you are paid to play football as your main wage, your a professional. If you are paid but your main wage comes from elsewhere, you are semi-pro. Full time is simply the club saying you need to be available for training in the mornings. Different clubs have different ideas of full time but it’s the making yourself available to train whenever the club want you and also make yourself abailvem for the club whenever called upon Wow wish my job was like that. Does this really make for hungry passionate players wanting to give their all for MUFC? I hope so. We will see. In JS2 we trust!
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Post by pwoodstone on May 21, 2019 10:28:19 GMT
I think if you are paid to play football as your main wage, your a professional. If you are paid but your main wage comes from elsewhere, you are semi-pro. Full time is simply the club saying you need to be available for training in the mornings. Different clubs have different ideas of full time but it’s the making yourself available to train whenever the club want you and also make yourself abailvem for the club whenever called upon Wow wish my job was like that. Does this really make for hungry passionate players wanting to give their all for MUFC? I hope so. We will see. In JS2 we trust!
Hungry and passionate, talented and onboard, I just want good players clearly trying their hardest
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Post by Better things to do in life on May 21, 2019 10:35:54 GMT
Wow wish my job was like that. Does this really make for hungry passionate players wanting to give their all for MUFC? I hope so. We will see. In JS2 we trust!
Hungry and passionate, talented and onboard, I just want good players clearly trying their hardest Absolutely! We need the polar opposite of last season.
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Post by Tstone on May 21, 2019 15:21:47 GMT
Presumably if the players are spending 3 (or however many) mornings a week at the Gallagher this is either on-the-match training, or in the classroom discussing tactics etc for the next game. The Gallagher as far as I know doesn't have any gym facilities on site, so does the club have a corporate membership at the Village or other gym;or do players have to make their own arrangements? Do clubs insist on players doing a minimum number of hours gym work?
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Post by Better things to do in life on May 21, 2019 15:39:39 GMT
Presumably if the players are spending 3 (or however many) mornings a week at the Gallagher this is either on-the-match training, or in the classroom discussing tactics etc for the next game. The Gallagher as far as I know doesn't have any gym facilities on site, so does the club have a corporate membership at the Village or other gym;or do players have to make their own arrangements? Do clubs insist on players doing a minimum number of hours gym work? I have no idea - its all a bit of a mystery this Full Time/Part-Time thing if you ask me - but significant, as whatever they have to do as Full time at the JWW is too much for some players who want to stay "part" time, or have other jobs as well as play football.
What did Lewis Knight, Ibrahim and Jake Embery do outside of football before they joined us, if anything? I'm assuming that they wont be doing it now.
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Post by daveu on May 21, 2019 15:50:52 GMT
Might not be how it works, now, though Sword - that's what I'm trying to find out.
Surely Nick knows? Or DaveU?
Are our FT players in NLS actually PT (by mine and Swords definition) but getting a FT wage?
Surely then they should be queueing up for a job at JWW!
Not sure why you think I might know, however the only explanation I've heard that actually makes any sense to me is that players who get payed through the summer are full time. I don't think there's a legal definition of "full time" but there seems to be an informal recognition that it is 30+ hours per week. Another interesting point regarding footballers, and possibly other sportsmen, is that under employment law, anyone who has two years continuous service is entitled to full employment rights including statutory redundancy pay. This applies whether you are on a long term or fixed term contract, or a series of contiguous fix term contracts, and regardless of whether you are an employee or a self employed contractor, or even agency staff in some cases. How this applies to footballers is anybodies guess
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Post by shamstone on May 21, 2019 16:06:26 GMT
Might not be how it works, now, though Sword - that's what I'm trying to find out.
Surely Nick knows? Or DaveU?
Are our FT players in NLS actually PT (by mine and Swords definition) but getting a FT wage?
Surely then they should be queueing up for a job at JWW!
Not sure why you think I might know, however the only explanation I've heard that actually makes any sense to me is that players who get payed through the summer are full time. I don't think there's a legal definition of "full time" but there seems to be an informal recognition that it is 30+ hours per week. Another interesting point regarding footballers, and possibly other sportsmen, is that under employment law, anyone who has two years continuous service is entitled to full employment rights including statutory redundancy pay. This applies whether you are on a long term or fixed term contract, or a series of contiguous fix term contracts, and regardless of whether you are an employee or a self employed contractor, or even agency staff in some cases. How this applies to footballers is anybodies guess Paid. Even
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Post by jdl on May 21, 2019 20:46:20 GMT
Not sure why you think I might know, however the only explanation I've heard that actually makes any sense to me is that players who get payed through the summer are full time. I don't think there's a legal definition of "full time" but there seems to be an informal recognition that it is 30+ hours per week. Another interesting point regarding footballers, and possibly other sportsmen, is that under employment law, anyone who has two years continuous service is entitled to full employment rights including statutory redundancy pay. This applies whether you are on a long term or fixed term contract, or a series of contiguous fix term contracts, and regardless of whether you are an employee or a self employed contractor, or even agency staff in some cases. How this applies to footballers is anybodies guess Paid. Even Ouch.
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Post by stonelacro on May 21, 2019 22:34:31 GMT
Not sure why you think I might know, however the only explanation I've heard that actually makes any sense to me is that players who get payed through the summer are full time. I don't think there's a legal definition of "full time" but there seems to be an informal recognition that it is 30+ hours per week. Another interesting point regarding footballers, and possibly other sportsmen, is that under employment law, anyone who has two years continuous service is entitled to full employment rights including statutory redundancy pay. This applies whether you are on a long term or fixed term contract, or a series of contiguous fix term contracts, and regardless of whether you are an employee or a self employed contractor, or even agency staff in some cases. How this applies to footballers is anybodies guess Paid. Even daveu doesn't use four letter words!
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