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Post by 1018 on Apr 25, 2019 7:50:32 GMT
Makes interesting reading...
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Post by porkystone on Apr 25, 2019 8:10:39 GMT
Quite chilling some of that, esp the proposed deal to move on two of our better players to ' ricay . Just reinforces how out of control our club was in that period …..
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Post by steveh21 on Apr 25, 2019 9:32:30 GMT
Harry seemed to have an iron grip on everything for a few weeks.. until we all woke up and realised it was a case of the Emperor's New Clothes. I hope we all give Alex ( our double player of the year last season) a really good welcome back.
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Post by hammerstone on Apr 25, 2019 9:44:14 GMT
I don’t know what’s worse.
The fact the board appointed someone where it was made as clear as day by players the atmosphere was toxic after completely being deceived and picking someone who went against the spec they themselves said they wanted, or the fact they knew about the dressing room being shot to pieces and just let things continue happy to see good servants like Finney, Loza and Lewis out the door.
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Post by jdl on Apr 25, 2019 9:48:04 GMT
Depressing reading. When we cocked things up, we went right off the cock-o-meter. I just hope lessons have been learned, although I have yet to be convinced.
It will be good to see Finney back though.
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Post by bear5 on Apr 25, 2019 9:50:25 GMT
In defence of the board, if they've appointed a manager I assume they paid him to manage and that meant he could get rid of players. It's worth noting also there was plenty of supporters who were more than happy to see Lewis, Finney, etc. leave.
Despite that though, the whole Billerciay connection must have raised some alarm bells.
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Post by steveh21 on Apr 25, 2019 9:57:29 GMT
In defence of the board, if they've appointed a manager I assume they paid him to manage and that meant he could get rid of players. It's worth noting also there was plenty of supporters who were more than happy to see Lewis, Finney, etc. leave. Despite that though, the whole Billerciay connection must have raised some alarm bells. I didn't know many supporters (if any) who wanted Lewis and Finney to leave.
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Post by hammerstone on Apr 25, 2019 9:59:56 GMT
In defence of the board, if they've appointed a manager I assume they paid him to manage and that meant he could get rid of players. It's worth noting also there was plenty of supporters who were more than happy to see Lewis, Finney, etc. leave. Despite that though, the whole Billerciay connection must have raised some alarm bells. The conspiracy theorist in me wouldn’t be surprised if it was planned all along. They did pretty well out of Wheeler here with playing staff before he then went back.
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Post by bear5 on Apr 25, 2019 10:02:33 GMT
In defence of the board, if they've appointed a manager I assume they paid him to manage and that meant he could get rid of players. It's worth noting also there was plenty of supporters who were more than happy to see Lewis, Finney, etc. leave. Despite that though, the whole Billerciay connection must have raised some alarm bells. I didn't know many supporters (if any) who wanted Lewis and Finney to leave. Not quite scientific sampling I know, but the reception for Lewis on the pitch was pretty cool before he left and I'm certain there was a fair amount of cheering at one game when he was substituted. As for Finney, I don't remember a huge outpouring when he left. However, I could be wrong
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Post by swampy on Apr 25, 2019 10:04:03 GMT
I don’t know what’s worse. The fact the board appointed someone where it was made as clear as day by players the atmosphere was toxic after completely being deceived and picking someone who went against the spec they themselves said they wanted, or the fact they knew about the dressing room being shot to pieces and just let things continue happy to see good servants like Finney, Loza and Lewis out the door. They kinda of did, I think Finney going was the beginning of the end for Wheeler. I remember talking to Harry before the Barrow game and he confirmed then that Finney was one of players he had identified before he came in that he wanted to get rid of as he was the highest earner in the squad. He gave himself a reprieve by having a good game against Leyton Orient in the cup but as he had brought in Wassmer he wouldn't play for the club again. Worringly the other Billericy player he had lined up to come in was Jamie O'hara. Which would have turned the club into a right media circus. Thankfully the club saw sense and pulled the plug.
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Post by porkystone on Apr 25, 2019 10:08:45 GMT
In defence of the board, if they've appointed a manager I assume they paid him to manage and that meant he could get rid of players. It's worth noting also there was plenty of supporters who were more than happy to see Lewis, Finney, etc. leave. Despite that though, the whole Billerciay connection must have raised some alarm bells. I could be wrong, but I think the Board's defence here is about as strong as the teams - you don't let somebody in who proceeds to ransack the sweet shop and stand back while he does it ?
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Post by bear5 on Apr 25, 2019 10:19:00 GMT
In defence of the board, if they've appointed a manager I assume they paid him to manage and that meant he could get rid of players. It's worth noting also there was plenty of supporters who were more than happy to see Lewis, Finney, etc. leave. Despite that though, the whole Billerciay connection must have raised some alarm bells. I could be wrong, but I think the Board's defence here is about as strong as the teams - you don't let somebody in who proceeds to ransack the sweet shop and stand back while he does it ? But at what point does the board think that he should be stopped or that they should tell him what to do? Hard as it to believe, there were occasions when HW didn't seem that bad and there were cup wins and Barnet away for the board to get encouraged by. Also, there was a pretty strong belief that recruitment hadn't been good and the squad was too light. Personally, I wouldn't have appointed him as he always struck me as someone who would have been fired in the early rounds of the Apprentice with his empty statements and sayings. i certainly would have got concerned at signing five players in a day after one game in charge and shipping so many out so quickly, but from the board's point of view, he had to be given more time than a fortnight.
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Post by pieman1982 on Apr 25, 2019 10:58:23 GMT
So from Bill and Ricay we managed to get Walton “passed it on the pitch” Robinson “in his 30’s never made a huge mark higher than NLS” We have lost Paxman, Loza and Effete! I know who did better out of the transactions and it was not Maidstone! Now this crap is nearly at an end I pray the club have learnt from its mistakes. Let’s hope HH can learn all he needs to from JS2 before JS2 retires and leaves HH in full charge.
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Post by Scot Stone on Apr 25, 2019 11:12:18 GMT
In defence of the board, if they've appointed a manager I assume they paid him to manage and that meant he could get rid of players. It's worth noting also there was plenty of supporters who were more than happy to see Lewis, Finney, etc. leave. Despite that though, the whole Billerciay connection must have raised some alarm bells. I could be wrong, but I think the Board's defence here is about as strong as the teams - you don't let somebody in who proceeds to ransack the sweet shop and stand back while he does it ? porkystone's stated opinion in the Finney Gone - To Aldershot thread in which the original poster was ... porkystone In Harry we trust, no other option, so many changes now, this is the only way......
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Post by jdh80 on Apr 25, 2019 12:36:22 GMT
So from Bill and Ricay we managed to get Walton “passed it on the pitch” Robinson “in his 30’s never made a huge mark higher than NLS” We have lost Paxman, Loza and Effete! I know who did better out of the transactions and it was not Maidstone! Now this crap is nearly at an end I pray the club have learnt from its mistakes. Let’s hope HH can learn all he needs to from JS2 before JS2 retires and leaves HH in full charge. We may have lost Paxman, Loza and efetee, but let's be honest they were no great losses. Paxman was majorly overrated by our fan base, ran around like a headless chicken calling for the ball and daydreamed when it came to doing any defensive work usually giving it away with a sloppy pass or completely failing to track his man (strolling back). Loza was never the same after his injury he was also a liability defensively as he never tracked back letting his man go and leaving our full backs against two everytime. Efetee was ok going forward at this level but was poor defensively, when you have the worst defence in the league you can't keep hold of defenders who are not good at defending. Finney was the same can't work out all this fuss, he made so many mistakes that led to goals for the opponents it was unreal, he often had no idea what was around him. We should be more pissed that we didn't bring Alex wynter back than we are about Finney going. Yes wheeler created a toxic atmosphere but some of you need to take your heads out of your backsides with regards to how "good" some of our players were/are.
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