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Post by pedant on Apr 19, 2019 9:08:18 GMT
Surely the evidence shows that things started to go wrong when we went (almost) full-time. NLS should be a part-time league??? Only if you consider "things started to go wrong" after our first season in the National League.
Personally I didn't see a great deal of difference between our first two seasons judging by points and final position so I'd find your assertion "unproven".
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Post by Nick on Apr 19, 2019 9:51:24 GMT
Let's face it we are part time - 3 morning coaching sessions and a match once a week (occasionally twice) doesn't make us a full time club.
I just find it bizarre that some supporters want to see the team do less training, reduce levels of fitness and dilute time spent on tactical work and skills development
They believe the change will result in fitter players, more skilled, more passionate, better football, more successful, etc
Of course !
On the other hand what does John Still know ?
I think John has indicated that he would ideally like to see the team training for 4 sessions a week.
Happily, the club is supporting him and focussed on trying to be the 'best we can'.
That means going for quality players committed to being as near full time as they can achieve.
It means having robust fitness/training regimes and the players spending plenty of time together working hard on skills/tactics/team play.
There will be plenty of part time clubs playing in the NLS and this will play a part in giving us the edge.
We are not preparing for life in the Ryman League, the club is serious about getting back into the National League.
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Post by hammerstone on Apr 19, 2019 10:30:48 GMT
We need to be training more, because this season whatever we have worked on hasn't worked. An entire day dedicated to set pieces might also be a good start
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Post by steveh21 on Apr 19, 2019 11:08:09 GMT
Let's face it we are part time - 3 morning coaching sessions and a match once a week (occasionally twice) doesn't make us a full time club. I just find it bizarre that some supporters want to see the team do less training, reduce levels of fitness and dilute time spent on tactical work and skills development They believe the change will result in fitter players, more skilled, more passionate, better football, more successful, etc Of course ! On the other hand what does John Still know ? I think John has indicated that he would ideally like to see the team training for 4 sessions a week. Happily, the club is supporting him and focussed on trying to be the 'best we can'. That means going for quality players committed to being as near full time as they can achieve. It means having robust fitness/training regimes and the players spending plenty of time together working hard on skills/tactics/team play. There will be plenty of part time clubs playing in the NLS and this will play a part in giving us the edge. We are not preparing for life in the Ryman League, the club is serious about getting back into the National League. No we don't want less training and fitness and tactic talk..you are missing the point. The club's budget needs to be a proper fulltime budget to attract good players who only earn their money from football. That same budget spent on quality SEMI PROFESSIONAL players (think Tom Mills) who make up their wage elsewhere could see us with a stronger squad. ..or do you just want more EFL u23 players? We got promoted part time..stayed up part time..got relegated full time. Just my opinion.
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Post by Nick on Apr 19, 2019 12:02:52 GMT
Good old Tom Mills The classic example of somebody who was probably good enough for the EFL, but instead settled for Ryman football. In my book a massive under-achiever in football terms, but hey it was his decision to major on double glazing work and good luck to him If you set your sights on the Ryman League as the pinnacle of ambition, then it's fine for the squad to be f/t plumbers and postmen, turning up for training a couple of evenings a week. Personally I am very happy that Stones have nailed their colours to the mast and aim to get back to the National League at the first attempt. The suggestion that this is most likely to be achieved by offering players less contracted hours, less coaching, less training, less commitment and less pay is just a little bit questionable imo
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Post by Sennockian69 on Apr 19, 2019 12:45:39 GMT
It's a pipe dream / unicorn held up by fans allowing their objectivity to be clouded by memories of a bygone age.
Total BS of course.
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Post by sword65 on Apr 20, 2019 3:37:05 GMT
Good old Tom Mills The classic example of somebody who was probably good enough for the EFL, but instead settled for Ryman football. In my book a massive under-achiever in football terms, but hey it was his decision to major on double glazing work and good luck to him If you set your sights on the Ryman League as the pinnacle of ambition, then it's fine for the squad to be f/t plumbers and postmen, turning up for training a couple of evenings a week. Personally I am very happy that Stones have nailed their colours to the mast and aim to get back to the National League at the first attempt. The suggestion that this is most likely to be achieved by offering players less contracted hours, less coaching, less training, less commitment and less pay is just a little bit questionable imo Well Braintree bounced back at their first attempt , didn't do them any good though did it.
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Post by jdl on Apr 20, 2019 21:31:27 GMT
Good old Tom Mills The classic example of somebody who was probably good enough for the EFL, but instead settled for Ryman football. In my book a massive under-achiever in football terms, but hey it was his decision to major on double glazing work and good luck to him If you set your sights on the Ryman League as the pinnacle of ambition, then it's fine for the squad to be f/t plumbers and postmen, turning up for training a couple of evenings a week. Personally I am very happy that Stones have nailed their colours to the mast and aim to get back to the National League at the first attempt. The suggestion that this is most likely to be achieved by offering players less contracted hours, less coaching, less training, less commitment and less pay is just a little bit questionable imo Mills was one of the best players I've seen at JWW. It's a mark of the 'full time' cock-up that we lost him. We were so up ourselves with how good we were, we managed to lose one of our best players in the name of looking like we were a pro club - which, as Jay has revealed, was just an illusion. We were playing at grown-ups, and we got found out. And, whilst staying 'full-time', or even actually going full-time, in a partially part-time league might seem like a good idea (it always works, after all...), might I ask just one tiny litte question - where the f**k is the money coming from?
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Post by 61666 on Apr 21, 2019 6:36:33 GMT
Can only presume that our business model pays the wages and so on. As long as we win home games next season,I think attendances will hold up at around the 2000 mark and maybe more if we are pushing for promotion - however much a poisoned chalice that is. The problems will really start if our terrible home form continues. Depending on how you count them, gates are now around 1000 down on where they could be, were we winning and entertaining at home. That could be as much as quarter of a million quid over an entire season. Very much chicken and egg. Speculate to accumulate, but without a sugar daddy to bail you out, you are in deep doodoo if you fail.
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Post by steveh21 on Apr 21, 2019 7:03:38 GMT
When the Gallagher was built Oliver said the wages would be based on the gate. The higher the crowds the bigger the budget. A very good way to look at things. Other income would pay for infrastructure.
Obviously this model has taken a bit of a battering but it seems very sensible for NLS.
I think we can all look forward to more stability next season.
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Post by sword65 on Apr 21, 2019 7:05:35 GMT
Can only presume that our business model pays the wages and so on. As long as we win home games next season,I think attendances will hold up at around the 2000 mark and maybe more if we are pushing for promotion - however much a poisoned chalice that is. The problems will really start if our terrible home form continues. Depending on how you count them, gates are now around 1000 down on where they could be, were we winning and entertaining at home. That could be as much as quarter of a million quid over an entire season. Very much chicken and egg. Speculate to accumulate, but without a sugar dad to bail you out, you are in deep doodoo if you fail. I for one, only hope we never go down the sugar daddy route,I have seen us die once and was there when we were almost terminally ill during the wilderness years and I couldn't face to watch us go to the wall again if and when the sugar daddy gets bored with it all. Safe and sensible please.
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Post by jakeyboi on Apr 21, 2019 7:41:00 GMT
When the Gallagher was built Oliver said the wages would be based on the gate. The higher the crowds the bigger the budget. A very good way to look at things. Other income would pay for infrastructure. Obviously this model has taken a bit of a battering but it seems very sensible for NLS. I think we can all look forward to more stability next season. Stability is ok to look forward to Steve for fans of a certain age,however how long do you think younger fans will continue to attend games if the club do not manage to push for promotion etc etc.
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Post by sword65 on Apr 21, 2019 8:28:07 GMT
When the Gallagher was built Oliver said the wages would be based on the gate. The higher the crowds the bigger the budget. A very good way to look at things. Other income would pay for infrastructure. Obviously this model has taken a bit of a battering but it seems very sensible for NLS. I think we can all look forward to more stability next season. Stability is ok to look forward to Steve for fans of a certain age,however how long do you think younger fans will continue to attend games if the club do not manage to push for promotion etc etc. An awful lot more than if we don't exist.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Apr 22, 2019 10:34:23 GMT
It's a pipe dream / unicorn held up by fans allowing their objectivity to be clouded by memories of a bygone age. Total BS of course. A bygone age of only a few years ago when we won three in four. Something must have worked in that pipe dream. Not BS just FACT.
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Post by Sennockian69 on Apr 22, 2019 11:13:10 GMT
It was a lower level and required less money and players of less ability to achieve that.
Don't allow logic to get get in the way of an emotional assertion.
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