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Post by Bernie on Mar 22, 2019 10:19:06 GMT
Have the MPs, that are voting the deal down each time, said what they want to be included in the deal that is not currently included? I voted Remain. Those who voted to leave probably accept that the deal May has managed to agree with the EU is as good as it will get, and just want to press on with it. And here we have another Remainer telling people what they think. It's simple. I voted for laws to be passed at as local a level as possible. May's treaty has no escape clause, meaning we could be stuck in the EU forever. We voted to leave, we knew what that meant, the problem is not Leave voters, but a Remain Parliament refusing to implement the decision they delegated to us. This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide.If MPs refuse to implement the referendum result, what's the point ever voting again? |
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Post by pwoodstone on Mar 22, 2019 10:43:28 GMT
Have the MPs, that are voting the deal down each time, said what they want to be included in the deal that is not currently included? I voted Remain. Those who voted to leave probably accept that the deal May has managed to agree with the EU is as good as it will get, and just want to press on with it. And here we have another Remainer telling people what they think. It's simple. I voted for laws to be passed at as local a level as possible. May's treaty has no escape clause, meaning we could be stuck in the EU forever. We voted to leave, we knew what that meant, the problem is not Leave voters, but a Remain Parliament refusing to implement the decision they delegated to us. This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide.If MPs refuse to implement the referendum result, what's the point ever voting again? Maybe my point didn't come across. I wasn't trying to suggest what Leave voters voted for - I am sure it was a multitude of different things. I am just thinking that we knew that to leave would result in X, Y and Z and now we are trying to secure a deal that means X for example, does not happen. Agree that it doesn't make for an easy process when 'Remainers' are heading heading the negotiation and decision making process now. I would like to know what each MP would like changed in the deal, in order to approve it, to see if it is even feasible to get a majority vote through. |
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Post by Tstone on Mar 22, 2019 11:56:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 13:33:16 GMT
I haven't looked, but if this petition is demanding a second referendum, then it hasn't a hope in hell, because democracy requires the first result to be honoured. You can't keep holding votes until you get the result you want. Although that is exactly what the PM is trying in Parliament.... Unless you're the SDP of course. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 13:37:57 GMT
Anyway, shouldn't this be in the "Politics Has No Place On A Football Forum" page?
OOh, look! I've gone into LLCoolMoron mode with multiple posts on one thread!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 13:38:10 GMT
When one post would suffice, obviously
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Post by nws on Mar 22, 2019 13:59:05 GMT
I haven't looked, but if this petition is demanding a second referendum, then it hasn't a hope in hell, because democracy requires the first result to be honoured. You can't keep holding votes until you get the result you want. Although that is exactly what the PM is trying in Parliament.... It isn't and surely a better methodology would have been to have clicked the link and seen what the petition was before speculating and commentating on something else. |
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Post by nws on Mar 22, 2019 14:05:21 GMT
Have the MPs, that are voting the deal down each time, said what they want to be included in the deal that is not currently included? I voted Remain. Those who voted to leave probably accept that the deal May has managed to agree with the EU is as good as it will get, and just want to press on with it. And here we have another Remainer telling people what they think. It's simple. I voted for laws to be passed at as local a level as possible. May's treaty has no escape clause, meaning we could be stuck in the EU forever. We voted to leave, we knew what that meant, the problem is not Leave voters, but a Remain Parliament refusing to implement the decision they delegated to us. This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide.If MPs refuse to implement the referendum result, what's the point ever voting again? Firstly, laws are made in the UK but don't let fact cloud your judgement. Secondly, we won't be stuck in the backstop for long because of the alternative arrangements or technological solution to the backstop that leavers keep promising us. "We voted to leave, we knew what that meant". What did it mean? I have plenty of quotes on this one. A remain Parliament?...I have spent the last nearly two years with leave voters telling me that 83% of voters voted for remain supporting parties. Can you tell me how that coincides with a 'remain Parliament'? |
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Post by nws on Mar 22, 2019 14:07:38 GMT
It is quite breathtaking that despite the title you have a load of leave voters coming on to get moderately angry about things. Perhaps reading ain't a strong point. Oh whoops...I've given them reason to continue their narrative
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Post by nws on Mar 22, 2019 14:08:17 GMT
When one post would suffice, obviously I decided to beat you on multiple posts |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 14:16:29 GMT
Greatest act of self harm by a country in history end of.
Plenty evidence of Russian interference who obviously gain from a fractured Europe plenty facts dismissed as fear mongering. No clear definition after the leave campaign said we would be able to achieve exactly the same benefits outside the E.U. that we have in which was utter bullshit.
Not all the 52% who backed leave backed it at any cost. Now the choice is clearly defined is the time we should have a vote over what direction we take. Make it law that the choice made Parliament must follow. If leavers are so sure what are they afraid of?
I'm still waiting for someone to tell me which particular laws they don't like and don't use straight bananas as that's urban myth.
Stats show the UK was on the winning side of E.U. votes in over 95% cases in the last 15 years before the referendum having abstained from voting 3% of times.
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Post by daveu on Mar 22, 2019 14:18:01 GMT
Have the MPs, that are voting the deal down each time, said what they want to be included in the deal that is not currently included? I voted Remain. Those who voted to leave probably accept that the deal May has managed to agree with the EU is as good as it will get, and just want to press on with it. And here we have another Remainer telling people what they think. It's simple. I voted for laws to be passed at as local a level as possible. May's treaty has no escape clause, meaning we could be stuck in the EU forever. We voted to leave, we knew what that meant, the problem is not Leave voters, but a Remain Parliament refusing to implement the decision they delegated to us. This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide.If MPs refuse to implement the referendum result, what's the point ever voting again? So what was Brexit to you. Was it the same as everyone else's Brexit. Too many questions and not enough answers. That's why what we were voting for should have been decided before the referendum. Some brexiteers want hard, some soft, and a dozen different variations in between. How the hell were we supposed to know what we were voting for. If that's democracy I want nothing to do with it. |
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Post by pedant on Mar 22, 2019 14:40:37 GMT
When one post would suffice, obviously Some might consider less than one post even better  |
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Post by jakeyboi on Mar 22, 2019 14:54:49 GMT
And here we have another Remainer telling people what they think. It's simple. I voted for laws to be passed at as local a level as possible. May's treaty has no escape clause, meaning we could be stuck in the EU forever. We voted to leave, we knew what that meant, the problem is not Leave voters, but a Remain Parliament refusing to implement the decision they delegated to us. This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide.If MPs refuse to implement the referendum result, what's the point ever voting again? So what was Brexit to you. Was it the same as everyone else's Brexit. Too many questions and not enough answers. That's why what we were voting for should have been decided before the referendum. Some brexiteers want hard, some soft, and a dozen different variations in between. How the hell were we supposed to know what we were voting for. If that's democracy I want nothing to do with it. Dave did you vote? |
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Post by jakeyboi on Mar 22, 2019 14:56:21 GMT
We should never have gone to the EU with just a party made up of Tories to organise us leaving the EU we should of had a group made up of all parties to negotiate the best possible outcome for us.
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