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Post by nws on Mar 22, 2019 0:09:40 GMT
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Post by gromley on Mar 22, 2019 0:24:53 GMT
So we had a referendum in which a large proportion of the population voted, but if a much smaller proportion of the population sign an online petition asking for the votes of the much larger number of people to be ignored that will be all okay?
This has to be a woosh surely?
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Post by nws on Mar 22, 2019 0:29:29 GMT
Did you vote remain?
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Post by jdl on Mar 22, 2019 0:34:11 GMT
So we had a referendum in which a large proportion of the population voted, but if a much smaller proportion of the population sign an online petition asking for the votes of the much larger number of people to be ignored that will be all okay? This has to be a woosh surely? Are you seriously comparing puplic votes at an election with online votes for petitions?? This petition took about 18 hours to get the first 1m, but only 9 hours to get the 2nd - by far the fastest petition in the history of the government site. At this rate it will soon exceed the most signatures for any petition (the previous was 4m+ for a second ref just after the first). Andrea Leadsom tried the same comparison earlier - completely missing the significance of this reaction to May's ongoing insanity.
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Post by shamstone on Mar 22, 2019 5:33:00 GMT
f**k Europe
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Post by headstone on Mar 22, 2019 6:35:46 GMT
I haven't looked, but if this petition is demanding a second referendum, then it hasn't a hope in hell, because democracy requires the first result to be honoured. You can't keep holding votes until you get the result you want. Although that is exactly what the PM is trying in Parliament....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 6:44:27 GMT
First of all let me say that I have no opinion as to whether the UK should stay in the EU or not, although from a fiscal point of view staying within the EU will probably provide more protection should the global economy go into a recession. If that happens I will protect my family, and short the market, and buy Silver, Gold and Platinum ETFs, so I'm not bothered one way or the other. May's plan is to stay in Europe, period. She has to be seen to carry out the result of the referendum and democratic process, while also steering her way to eventually revoking article 50 within 21 months. She may well survive for this period, as most of the house are also remainers, and despite Corbyn's call for a G.E. I am sure there is some 17th century law that can be raised to ensure article 50 is eventually revoked to resolve the issue, along with banning all sports, and encourage archery practice.
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Post by Bernie on Mar 22, 2019 7:23:40 GMT
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Post by daveu on Mar 22, 2019 7:37:14 GMT
I haven't looked, but if this petition is demanding a second referendum, then it hasn't a hope in hell, because democracy requires the first result to be honoured. You can't keep holding votes until you get the result you want. Although that is exactly what the PM is trying in Parliament.... Crap argument. A proper democratic process would have decided what Brexit meant before holding a referrendum. The whole thing was flawed from the start, and the parliamentary process is even more flawed, with everyone opposing TM's deal but no one putting forward any alternative, and seemingly not accepting that we aren't the only party in the negotiations.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 8:05:01 GMT
I haven't looked, but if this petition is demanding a second referendum, then it hasn't a hope in hell, because democracy requires the first result to be honoured. You can't keep holding votes until you get the result you want. Although that is exactly what the PM is trying in Parliament.... Crap argument. A proper democratic process would have decided what Brexit meant before holding a referrendum. The whole thing was flawed from the start, and the parliamentary process is even more flawed, with everyone opposing TM's deal but no one putting forward any alternative, and seemingly not accepting that we aren't the only party in the negotiations. Democracy is an illusion, although it is an admirable quality to strive for within a society, and the world at large.
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Post by 61666 on Mar 22, 2019 8:30:34 GMT
Another equally big concern is that if there were to be a general election, who do you vote for? Conservative, but which group? There are several parties within the party. Labour? Same problem. Lib Dems? Quite. Maybe the SNP should consider fielding candidates in England - they'd have as much chance as anyone else. David Cameron the real villain. Sets up a stupid referendum, then walks away. Stay or leave the worst option ever. Stay was easy to understand. Leave? So many different things to different people. There is no chance of a consensus. Makes the rest of our season in the NL seem like an escape from reality!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 8:58:05 GMT
Another equally big concern is that if there were to be a general election, who do you vote for? Conservative, but which group? There are several parties within the party. Labour? Same problem. Lib Dems? Quite. Maybe the SNP should consider fielding candidates in England - they'd have as much chance as anyone else. David Cameron the real villain. Sets up a stupid referendum, then walks away. Stay or leave the worst option ever. Stay was easy to understand. Leave? So many different things to different people. There is no chance of a consensus. Makes the rest of our season in the NL seem like an escape from reality! Agreed. Cameron thought that the result of the referendum was going to be remain. I also found it highly amusing when Boris withdrew his leadership challenge when he asked his mate Gove to suddenly make a belated leadership challenge. What a lame reason to withdraw. In reality Gove was no threat to either May or Johnson. It would be like like Manchester City withdrawing from the FA cup because Maidstone had reached the 1st round. Despite being a Brexiteer, Johnson realised that to be PM during the period of Brexit would have been a minefield for his political career, and vested interests, and he was right in his judgement.
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Post by 1018 on Mar 22, 2019 9:25:34 GMT
I haven't looked, but if this petition is demanding a second referendum, then it hasn't a hope in hell, because democracy requires the first result to be honoured. You can't keep holding votes until you get the result you want. Although that is exactly what the PM is trying in Parliament.... Crap argument. A proper democratic process would have decided what Brexit meant before holding a referrendum. The whole thing was flawed from the start, and the parliamentary process is even more flawed, with everyone opposing TM's deal but no one putting forward any alternative, and seemingly not accepting that we aren't the only party in the negotiations.
Well said Daveu, spot on. Cameron will go down as one of the most disastrous PMs in the country's history, closely followed by May. Others such as Osborne & Johnson also have a lot to answer for. What a mess.
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Post by pwoodstone on Mar 22, 2019 9:51:04 GMT
Have the MPs, that are voting the deal down each time, said what they want to be included in the deal that is not currently included?
I voted Remain.
Those who voted to leave probably accept that the deal May has managed to agree with the EU is as good as it will get, and just want to press on with it.
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Post by frankinstone on Mar 22, 2019 10:14:46 GMT
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