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Post by daveu on Mar 19, 2019 22:17:50 GMT
To me an even bigger worry in the way clubs at this level 'cheat the system' is by the way they use loan players! One or two loan players per season to cover for injuries etc is fine by me, but bringing in half the team on loan so you are not paying the going rate to players nor the full tax or NI is either cheating or the club is playing at a level it can't afford! Unfair on both players and supporters in my opinion! Think there should be a rule for a minimum fully paid squad size, and a cap on loan players! There is a cap on loan players. You can have a maximum of five in a match day squad. Not sure if there's a restriction on the overall number in a season.
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Post by Tstone on Mar 20, 2019 8:06:06 GMT
To me an even bigger worry in the way clubs at this level 'cheat the system' is by the way they use loan players! One or two loan players per season to cover for injuries etc is fine by me, but bringing in half the team on loan so you are not paying the going rate to players nor the full tax or NI is either cheating or the club is playing at a level it can't afford! Unfair on both players and supporters in my opinion! Think there should be a rule for a minimum fully paid squad size, and a cap on loan players! There is a cap on loan players. You can have a maximum of five in a match day squad. Not sure if there's a restriction on the overall number in a season. There is. National league rules articles 6.6.2 and 6.6.3 et al
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Post by daveu on Mar 20, 2019 8:31:38 GMT
There is a cap on loan players. You can have a maximum of five in a match day squad. Not sure if there's a restriction on the overall number in a season. There is. National league rules articles 6.6.2 and 6.6.3 et al Nice one. Always easier when you're feeling lazy to let someone else look it up ;-)
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Post by Bernie on Mar 20, 2019 17:51:57 GMT
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Post by sword65 on Mar 21, 2019 5:41:17 GMT
To me an even bigger worry in the way clubs at this level 'cheat the system' is by the way they use loan players! One or two loan players per season to cover for injuries etc is fine by me, but bringing in half the team on loan so you are not paying the going rate to players nor the full tax or NI is either cheating or the club is playing at a level it can't afford! Unfair on both players and supporters in my opinion! Think there should be a rule for a minimum fully paid squad size, and a cap on loan players! A very good idea but aren't we the biggest abusers of the loan system this year? Are you saying that the mighty Stones have cheated this season cos if you are it just goes to prove that cheats don't prosper.
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Post by Rich on Mar 21, 2019 13:34:06 GMT
So how do Bolton get away not paying £250k but north ferriby fold because of £7k? They should also be made to fold and other teams that can’t pay their debts. North Ferriby were wound up as there were many other creditors queuing up to go to court and the debts of over £50K would have liquidated them anyway. In effect a debt free Phoenix club will probably be formed in the NCEL for next season and play at the same ground, which is owned by the parish council. As long as it's not another AFC name!!
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Post by jdl on Mar 21, 2019 13:55:53 GMT
So how do Bolton get away not paying £250k but north ferriby fold because of £7k? They should also be made to fold and other teams that can’t pay their debts. North Ferriby were wound up as there were many other creditors queuing up to go to court and the debts of over £50K would have liquidated them anyway. In effect a debt free Phoenix club will probably be formed in the NCEL for next season and play at the same ground, which is owned by the parish council. As long as it's not another AFC name!! AFCNFU would be some name!
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Post by Bernie on Apr 2, 2019 10:24:05 GMT
Claims Ebbsfleet players still haven't been paid for March.
But, but, he signed a piece of paper.
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Post by Bernie on Apr 2, 2019 10:35:16 GMT
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Post by hammerstone on Apr 2, 2019 10:38:48 GMT
I feel sorry for the fans more than anything. I can’t see another season of him sticking around and anyone willingly taking on their debts.
He’s probably pulling a master stroke so all the expensive players ask to Leave so next season their budget will probably make ours look like Man city
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Post by sword65 on Apr 2, 2019 11:21:18 GMT
I am sure nws will pull on a shirt,shorts and boots to help them out.😂
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Post by jakeyboi on Apr 2, 2019 11:23:51 GMT
North Ferriby were wound up as there were many other creditors queuing up to go to court and the debts of over £50K would have liquidated them anyway. In effect a debt free Phoenix club will probably be formed in the NCEL for next season and play at the same ground, which is owned by the parish council. As long as it's not another AFC name!! AFCNFU would be some name! More like a countdown round rather than a football club.
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Post by hongkongstone on Apr 2, 2019 11:28:08 GMT
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Post by jdl on Apr 3, 2019 8:53:25 GMT
So, two potential playoff sides not paying bills or players, and others are racking up up huge debts in attempt to buy promotion. Whilst elsewhere in the league, clubs are carrying huge, unsustainable, debts. And what does the league worry about, what do they impose draconian penalties for? What your pitch is made of.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Apr 3, 2019 10:43:57 GMT
So, two potential playoff sides not paying bills or players, and others are racking up up huge debts in attempt to buy promotion. Whilst elsewhere in the league, clubs are carrying huge, unsustainable, debts. And what does the league worry about, what do they impose draconian penalties for? What your pitch is made of. Agreed - total madness.
The whole "League Three" full-time not-the-conference National League with its big clubs who should still be in EFL, EFL has beens and journeymen at what are really non league clubs trying to be FT and punch above their weight (with terrible costs - NFU) and trying to compete financially and on the pitch with a complete mish mash of unchecked wealthy benefactors at quickly growing no heritage or background clubs is a footballing hotch potch and hasn't produced either good football or well run clubs - quite the opposite.
Also, the Heath Robinson, back of a fag packet hurried ground building with sellotape and wet string stands looking awful and in the wrong place just to rapidly pass NL standards which later become white elephants when the club becomes non-league again are almost laughable. Thank God for the Genco and Manchett - both stands to be proud of!
In the same league you have plucky semipro Maidenhead holding their own against old massive EFL like stalwarts Chesterfield, Orient and Wrexham, rabbits in the headlights like the Moors who find themselves looking EFL in the face when they have barely had time to get up to NL standard off the pitch, and "made up" new clubs at the whim of wealthy benefactors.
Its crazy, and results in financial meltdowns like the ones at Gravesend and Gateshead.
Yes, the whole NL model needs serious review and some common sense applied by NL management to this money and footballing merry go round of madness - with stricter financial rules and regulations and more flexible ground requirements.
And to back off those with 3G.
Its a madness that we failed badly in this year thanks to the Clown and that's why we talk about "rebuilding" in NLS to be better prepared to enter the NL insanity again some day.
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