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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 10:05:04 GMT
OK, today's burning question: If H&W are so crap, that we are able to easily beat them at home, how come they thrash Peter Taylor's much improved D&R 3-0, just three days later?? It's a mystery, even Toyah still doesn't know. I think I will try to channel Brian Clough, and access his wisdom. He is sure to know. I will make my report should I have any success. Just tried. He told me to go away in the most abusive terms. Oh well, that's the afterlife for you. Fool I feel.
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Post by Nick on Mar 13, 2019 11:28:38 GMT
Midfield the let down again,first half over run.Young Embery up front though in fairness not supplied a well, just looked like a boy against men. Davies played well, as did WDH though when he got time on ball he struggled. Second half was an improvement but just nothing g in final third Yes, they were the better side as they are an NL team and we are NLS at best. The telling factor came up YET AGAIN which is Eastleigh had all the possession but we "kept our shape" i.e. we chased shadows but didn't let them through to score - until the 43rd minute, when their possession inevitably produced. I keep saying it and keep getting criticised for it, that we don't hold the ball and pass the ball enough, beating players , and building attacks. We just don't keep possession. The ball is like a hot potato to us. On a good day we look for the "telling pass from midfield to put our sprinting striker through" on a bad day we hoof a long ball for our short strikers to get nowhere near to in the air, but always, always, we choose to head the ball in the air or hit a speculative ball to a 50-50 situation (Which is what I call "Keepie Uppie") - we never pass to our man, who holds and passes to the next (our) man, and so on, That's football, and we don't play it. Even though we are full time. That's shameful. Eastleigh did it, and got their rewards, even on a night they described as a horrible game where they have played better and lost! H&W we may have won by "telling passes from midfield to put our sprinting striker through" but we really have to get this possession thing sorted. We need to keep the ball and pass it to the man when we have it, and battle to win it back when we don't have it. Its what every NL team does that beats us. Its not rocket science. My fear is that if we don't get this simple footballing maxim right next year even NLS teams who can string more than a couple of passes together will outclass us. Nothing much changes then. Our midfield consistently gets outplayed as it has done all season. Major overhaul required now but this feels like groundhog day. Still seems really wierd that after so many changes, new signings and re-building efforts, our midfield is now the weakest it has ever been during our time in the National League.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Mar 13, 2019 12:03:16 GMT
Yes, they were the better side as they are an NL team and we are NLS at best. The telling factor came up YET AGAIN which is Eastleigh had all the possession but we "kept our shape" i.e. we chased shadows but didn't let them through to score - until the 43rd minute, when their possession inevitably produced. I keep saying it and keep getting criticised for it, that we don't hold the ball and pass the ball enough, beating players , and building attacks. We just don't keep possession. The ball is like a hot potato to us. On a good day we look for the "telling pass from midfield to put our sprinting striker through" on a bad day we hoof a long ball for our short strikers to get nowhere near to in the air, but always, always, we choose to head the ball in the air or hit a speculative ball to a 50-50 situation (Which is what I call "Keepie Uppie") - we never pass to our man, who holds and passes to the next (our) man, and so on, That's football, and we don't play it. Even though we are full time. That's shameful. Eastleigh did it, and got their rewards, even on a night they described as a horrible game where they have played better and lost! H&W we may have won by "telling passes from midfield to put our sprinting striker through" but we really have to get this possession thing sorted. We need to keep the ball and pass it to the man when we have it, and battle to win it back when we don't have it. Its what every NL team does that beats us. Its not rocket science. My fear is that if we don't get this simple footballing maxim right next year even NLS teams who can string more than a couple of passes together will outclass us. Nothing much changes then. Our midfield consistently gets outplayed as it has done all season. Major overhaul required now but this feels like groundhog day. Still seems really wierd that after so many changes, new signings and re-building efforts, our midfield is now the weakest it has ever been during our time in the National League. Agree with you about the midfield, but this "the ball is a hot potato" football, and not passing but doing keepie uppie instead, is a disease across the whole team not just the midfield. We are frightened of having possession and struggle to go and get it, without fouling.
If the defenders don't know how to hold onto the ball, avoid challenges, and pass it to a team-mate, they panic and wallop it or head it or kick it in the air for a 50-50 competition (i.e. Keepie uppie). That's the core of our problems.
It may be a confidence thing, but as you say, Nick, we have been through enough players to find some who aren't afraid of the ball!
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Post by pedant on Mar 13, 2019 12:29:46 GMT
0-2. Utter useless shambles the lot of them.This comment is so not the game I watched.
Did think we looked like a team at the bottom expecting a mistake to happen which it did, but not until the 85th minute. Not the confidence there was on Saturday at home.
So, we lost away at another team on a good run and competing for the payoffs. What a surprise. But Lewington was hardly overworked and neither goal was his fault.
Couldn't complain about lack of effort or fight. My only real complaint would be that Amaluzor needs to use his ability and stay on his feet and out of the referee's book. Whether he was fouled or not his performance invited the referee to see his falling over as simulation and that's not for the first time in his limited appearances for us.
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Post by 61666 on Mar 13, 2019 13:50:40 GMT
It's a mystery, even Toyah still doesn't know. I think I will try to channel Brian Clough, and access his wisdom. He is sure to know. I will make my report should I have any success. Just tried. He told me to go away in the most abusive terms. Oh well, that's the afterlife for you. Fool I feel.
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Post by 61666 on Mar 13, 2019 13:52:08 GMT
Just tried. He told me to go away in the most abusive terms. Oh well, that's the afterlife for you. Fool I feel. Try again. Plastic pitch and wet seats. Clearly.
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Post by razor05 on Mar 13, 2019 14:10:57 GMT
Nothing much changes then. Our midfield consistently gets outplayed as it has done all season. Major overhaul required now but this feels like groundhog day. Still seems really wierd that after so many changes, new signings and re-building efforts, our midfield is now the weakest it has ever been during our time in the National League. Agree with you about the midfield, but this "the ball is a hot potato" football, and not passing but doing keepie uppie instead, is a disease across the whole team not just the midfield. We are frightened of having possession and struggle to go and get it, without fouling.
If the defenders don't know how to hold onto the ball, avoid challenges, and pass it to a team-mate, they panic and wallop it or head it or kick it in the air for a 50-50 competition (i.e. Keepie uppie). That's the core of our problems.
It may be a confidence thing, but as you say, Nick, we have been through enough players to find some who aren't afraid of the ball!
I don't think its because its a 'hot potato' as you say but just the fact that they know if its played into the midfield it will be lost and pressure again upon them.
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Post by ade on Mar 13, 2019 14:14:27 GMT
I thought we lacked energy, especially in the first half, where we didn’t have a lot of possession. Kept our shape well and limited Eastleigh’s chances until They scored. At least when Amaluzor came on he was getting in the box with his runs. I will need to see the highlights to see if he did dive as at the time it looked like a penalty to me, although I was not very close tbf.
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Post by Nick on Mar 13, 2019 15:54:29 GMT
Just been listening to HH and his post match interview. HIs commentary and analysis is just so depressing, it feels like the message to supporters is to give up and write off the rest of the season.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Mar 13, 2019 16:18:19 GMT
Just been listening to HH and his post match interview. HIs commentary and analysis is just so depressing, it feels like the message to supporters is to give up and write off the rest of the season. Lol HH is hardly joyful is he, bless him. Might be good for JS to do some post match interviews some times! Its always a challenge to try and pick out what HH is really thinking as he is so careful about what he says. It seems to me that he was more incensed about the tackle on Phillips than the one on Amaluzor, and doesn't seem to have the high opinion of WDH that many fans seem to have, and seems to suggest that there will be a clearout, but that's all reading between the lines.
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Post by jdl on Mar 13, 2019 16:53:09 GMT
Just been listening to HH and his post match interview. HIs commentary and analysis is just so depressing, it feels like the message to supporters is to give up and write off the rest of the season. Lol HH is hardly joyful is he, bless him. Might be good for JS to do some post match interviews some times! Its always a challenge to try and pick out what HH is really thinking as he is so careful about what he says. It seems to me that he was more incensed about the tackle on Phillips than the one on Amaluzor, and doesn't seem to have the high opinion of WDH that many fans seem to have, and seems to suggest that there will be a clearout, but that's all reading between the lines. "Lol HH is hardly joyful is he, bless him. Might be good for JS to do some post match interviews some times! weIts always a challenge to try and pick out what HH is really thinking as he is so careful about what he says. are It seems to me that he was more incensed about the tackle on Phillips than the one on Amaluzor, royallyand doesn't seem to have the high opinion of WDH that many fans seem to have, and seems to fuckedsuggest that there will be a clearout, but that's all reading between the lines." How's that?
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Post by jakeyboi on Mar 13, 2019 17:16:08 GMT
Well another disappointing evening, sadly we didn,t seem to be struggling when they got the first goal, Lewington had hardly been bothered the entire half but we always seem to make the same mistake just before half time we fall asleep an go behind. 2nd half we seemed to lose shape Amaluzor looked good when he came on but let himself down a tad didnt get the first penalty shout but the 2nd shout looked more like a dive from where we was watching. As for HH an his post match interviews he really should let someone else do them he is very negative in his tone an manner yes we know we are in the darkest of poo poo but we all need a little bit of a hope otherwise what is the point of travelling to these games. Number of fans was low but what do you expect with the form and the weather. Never mind on to the next journey.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Mar 13, 2019 17:56:07 GMT
Lol HH is hardly joyful is he, bless him. Might be good for JS to do some post match interviews some times! Its always a challenge to try and pick out what HH is really thinking as he is so careful about what he says. It seems to me that he was more incensed about the tackle on Phillips than the one on Amaluzor, and doesn't seem to have the high opinion of WDH that many fans seem to have, and seems to suggest that there will be a clearout, but that's all reading between the lines. "Lol HH is hardly joyful is he, bless him. Might be good for JS to do some post match interviews some times! weIts always a challenge to try and pick out what HH is really thinking as he is so careful about what he says. are It seems to me that he was more incensed about the tackle on Phillips than the one on Amaluzor, royallyand doesn't seem to have the high opinion of WDH that many fans seem to have, and seems to fuckedsuggest that there will be a clearout, but that's all reading between the lines." How's that? OK How about this:
"Lol HH is hardly joyful is he, bless him. Might be good for JS to do some post match interviews some times! HH knows we are relegated Its always a challenge to try and pick out what HH is really thinking as he is so careful about what he says. HH knows are players are crap but cant say it yet as he still needs them to play out the season It seems to me that he was more incensed about the tackle on Phillips than the one on Amaluzor, HH rates Phillips and doesn't want him to be out injured and doesn't seem to have the high opinion of WDH that many fans seem to have, and seems to HH will want to sell WDH to an NL or EFL club in the clearout at season end and get some older solid NLS stalwart Centre Halves suggest that there will be a clearout, but that's all reading between the lines."
I think that may be slightly more insightful translation than just being royally you-know-what - which as far as NL survival is concerned we are, of course!
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Post by Bernie on Mar 13, 2019 18:34:45 GMT
This time last two seasons we were putting together runs to avoid relegation. This time we know it's not coming, despite a good result on Saturday. No way of sugar coating it. Maybe need to set realistic goals; not finishing bottom (tick), not finishing second bottom, third from bottom etc. Little victories to lighten the gloom.
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Post by hammerstone on Mar 13, 2019 20:07:58 GMT
Seriously struggling to warm to HH. He’s hardly inspiring which makes sense looking at how our team in general play. If I’m switching off listening to him god knows what it’s like to work with him!He seems very much a deflector of any blame, and I’ve seen nothing from him as a person to really make me believe he is capable of turning a team into a competitive outfit
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