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Post by Better things to do in life on Mar 7, 2019 13:42:35 GMT
The Kent OnLine interview tells us what we already knew - that current players are being picked when they don’t deserve it and won’t be here next season. Interesting he mentioned Amalozar and Embury as next year players but not the Donnellans. However it doesn’t really inspire us to watch any more home depressfests or away hidings - in fact it suggests more couldn’t give a monkeys performances like Solihull - nor does it address key points like is Lewington up for being the No1 we all want him to be, why doesn’t John play academy players alongside next year players and just drop the underperformers, should we be full or part time next year, and what kind of football does JS want to see us play - if not now but next (NLS) year ? Nor is there any apology for the slow painful death that is relegation with no fight or passion, under Johns watch. Like Hakans post match interviews he says very little of substance. Shame.
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Post by pieman1982 on Mar 7, 2019 14:01:22 GMT
Its football management politics! Can’t keep everyone happy. John is stuck between the fans who want players blindfolded and shot, the players who he has to see most of the week and the owners who are his boss and just want this season over! The interview is as cutting as it possibly could be towards the players. He also doesn’t want to commit to playing academy lads as he probably believes this would be giving away too much to the teams we have yet to play. I suspect every team who have us to play have already added three points to their expected quoter.
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Post by pwoodstone on Mar 7, 2019 14:04:32 GMT
What are you banging on about now?
The 2 players we have bought (rather than loaned) are clearly in the plans for next year yes - loanees won't be. Obvious.
I guess the academy players playing would be irresponsible for their development and also disrespectful to the teams that are still playing for playoff places and safety etc. Also, the we would get a reputation for a side that just sacks off loaned players and would struggle to loan anyone from those sides again.
Also, why would he say Lewington is No 1 - the goalies are fighting for their places plus I would be surprised if we didn't guarantee to play Henry a certain number of times.
As for the apology - stop being so precious.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Mar 7, 2019 14:04:57 GMT
Its football management politics! Can’t keep everyone happy. John is stuck between the fans who want players blindfolded and shot, the players who he has to see most of the week and the owners who are his boss and just want this season over! The interview is as cutting as it possibly could be towards the players. He also doesn’t want to commit to playing academy lads as he probably believes this would be giving away too much to the teams we have yet to play. I suspect every team who have us to play have already added three points to their expected quoter. Yes I do get all that pieman but it just doesn’t inspire anyone to support this team at all but just avoid the agony of watching yet another spineless defeat and wait for next years pre season friendlies to view the new squad. That’s what the managerial politics seems to be saying to us all!
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Post by Better things to do in life on Mar 7, 2019 14:12:14 GMT
What are you banging on about now? The 2 players we have bought (rather than loaned) are clearly in the plans for next year yes - loanees won't be. Obvious. I guess the academy players playing would be irresponsible for their development and also disrespectful to the teams that are still playing for playoff places and safety etc. Also, the we would get a reputation for a side that just sacks off loaned players and would struggle to loan anyone from those sides again. Also, why would he say Lewington is No 1 - the goalies are fighting for their places plus I would be surprised if we didn't guarantee to play Henry a certain number of times. As for the apology - stop being so precious. Precious? At least I’m not asking the owners to apologise! After this season I never want to see a loanee again unless it’s an absolute emergency and why not Lewington No1? We have to build a team around experience and the goalie is a good place to start even if we are committed to playing Henry for a certain number of games. As for being disrespectful to other teams playing academy players what are YOU banging on in about? Other teams would have no qualms doing that to us (FAT). I just don’t see why we have to play players with no future here. It creates soulless defeats like Solihull and Stockport and is a disrespect to paying fans.
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Post by sword65 on Mar 7, 2019 15:40:49 GMT
The Kent OnLine interview tells us what we already knew - that current players are being picked when they don’t deserve it and won’t be here next season. Interesting he mentioned Amalozar and Embury as next year players but not the Donnellans. However it doesn’t really inspire us to watch any more home depressfests or away hidings - in fact it suggests more couldn’t give a monkeys performances like Solihull - nor does it address key points like is Lewington up for being the No1 we all want him to be, why doesn’t John play academy players alongside next year players and just drop the underperformers, should we be full or part time next year, and what kind of football does JS want to see us play - if not now but next (NLS) year ? Nor is there any apology for the slow painful death that is relegation with no fight or passion, under Johns watch. Like Hakans post match interviews he says very little of substance. Shame. It is as I said earlier ,John knows we are going down and Terry&Oliver know we are going down but JS cannot publicly say it and T&O cannot publicly accept it says it is not the right thing to do.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Mar 7, 2019 15:56:03 GMT
The Kent OnLine interview tells us what we already knew - that current players are being picked when they don’t deserve it and won’t be here next season. Interesting he mentioned Amalozar and Embury as next year players but not the Donnellans. However it doesn’t really inspire us to watch any more home depressfests or away hidings - in fact it suggests more couldn’t give a monkeys performances like Solihull - nor does it address key points like is Lewington up for being the No1 we all want him to be, why doesn’t John play academy players alongside next year players and just drop the underperformers, should we be full or part time next year, and what kind of football does JS want to see us play - if not now but next (NLS) year ? Nor is there any apology for the slow painful death that is relegation with no fight or passion, under Johns watch. Like Hakans post match interviews he says very little of substance. Shame. It is as I said earlier ,John knows we are going down and Terry&Oliver know we are going down but JS cannot publicly say it and T&O cannot publicly accept it says it is not the right thing to do. Of course Sword they cant publically rollover and accept relegation, but as the team, and the supporters have accepted the obvious, my point is JS can do things like tell us if Lewington IS going to be No1 or just a coach, what kind of football they want us to play, and they can try and play teams with faces we want to watch even if they still get beaten but go down fighting and trying. We just need some incentive to endure the next couple of months of the slide. Watching the passionless mercenaries who will be gone come May go through the motions with empty football is not an incentive to go to JWW on Saturday, or for any game this year. That's my point!
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Post by jakeyboi on Mar 7, 2019 16:04:04 GMT
What JS said in the report is pretty much what everyone already knew, his hands are tied for the season as to what he can achieve an we all know with this squad it wont be a lot. With regards to next year he can hardly say now who will stay an who will go an sadly as fans we cant expect anymore, it,s up to us as individuals if we continue following the club this year or wait until next year. As I said before I can see some of the younger fan base leave to seek glory elsewhere.
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Post by sword65 on Mar 7, 2019 16:04:49 GMT
It is as I said earlier ,John knows we are going down and Terry&Oliver know we are going down but JS cannot publicly say it and T&O cannot publicly accept it says it is not the right thing to do. Of course Sword they cant publically rollover and accept relegation, but as the team, and the supporters have accepted the obvious, my point is JS can do things like tell us if Lewington IS going to be No1 or just a coach, what kind of football they want us to play, and they can try and play teams with faces we want to watch even if they still get beaten but go down fighting and trying. We just need some incentive to endure the next couple of months of the slide. Watching the passionless mercenaries who will be gone come May go through the motions with empty football is not an incentive to go to JWW on Saturday, or for any game this year. That's my point! I agree 100% but will T&O be happy paying huge wages to players who won't even make the bench should what you and I and doubtless a fair few others get what we want. Now if it is in the best interests of clubs future then yes they should sanction such actions but the money is coming out of their pockets not ours, unless you don't have a season ticket and then it is coming out of your wallet as well.
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Post by sword65 on Mar 7, 2019 16:07:25 GMT
Of course Sword they cant publically rollover and accept relegation, but as the team, and the supporters have accepted the obvious, my point is JS can do things like tell us if Lewington IS going to be No1 or just a coach, what kind of football they want us to play, and they can try and play teams with faces we want to watch even if they still get beaten but go down fighting and trying. We just need some incentive to endure the next couple of months of the slide. Watching the passionless mercenaries who will be gone come May go through the motions with empty football is not an incentive to go to JWW on Saturday, or for any game this year. That's my point! I agree 100% but will T&O be happy paying huge wages to players who won't even make the bench should what you and I and doubtless a fair few others get what we want. Now if it is in the best interests of clubs future then yes they should sanction such actions but the money is coming out of their pockets not ours, unless you don't have a season ticket and then it is coming out of your wallet as well. I lay odds of 1/6 that Nick disagrees with me.
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Post by pwoodstone on Mar 7, 2019 16:14:24 GMT
What are you banging on about now? The 2 players we have bought (rather than loaned) are clearly in the plans for next year yes - loanees won't be. Obvious. I guess the academy players playing would be irresponsible for their development and also disrespectful to the teams that are still playing for playoff places and safety etc. Also, the we would get a reputation for a side that just sacks off loaned players and would struggle to loan anyone from those sides again. Also, why would he say Lewington is No 1 - the goalies are fighting for their places plus I would be surprised if we didn't guarantee to play Henry a certain number of times. As for the apology - stop being so precious. Precious? At least I’m not asking the owners to apologise! After this season I never want to see a loanee again unless it’s an absolute emergency and why not Lewington No1? We have to build a team around experience and the goalie is a good place to start even if we are committed to playing Henry for a certain number of games. As for being disrespectful to other teams playing academy players what are YOU banging on in about? Other teams would have no qualms doing that to us (FAT). I just don’t see why we have to play players with no future here. It creates soulless defeats like Solihull and Stockport and is a disrespect to paying fans. I get the sentiment and we are all supporting the same team here. My point re academy players was rather aimed at other clubs not the ones we play. So if we played Salford, Wrexham and Orient would not want us playing academy players, and as a professional club, we owe it to the league to try and play with a strong team. Our players need to live up to their side of this bargain though. Re the apology. I no fan of expecting an apology. I would expect thanks but it's a sport and there are always losers. As for Lewington. There must be a reason. He does look more solid I agree. Not sure John Still should comment though as we have 3 goalies. He will pick the one he thinks best - or if there is an agreement with a players parent club - in line with that agreement.
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Post by Raymondo316 on Mar 7, 2019 16:20:03 GMT
All this talk of just dropping everyone and playing the academy is laughable.
Do people just want to watch us get spanked even more?? you would be putting players who are mostly Kent League or Ryman South standard against the likes of Wrexham, Salford, Harrogate, Ebbsfleet, Sutton etc. People think its bad now, but it would be a complete embarrassment when we concede 70-80 goals in them last 11 games. It would effectively be throwing games because we would be dropping a whole squad of players who aren't even injured for players of a lot lower standard......Couldn't see the league, the fa or the teams challenging for promotion or battling relegation being at all happy with us if we went that route.
Anyway the owners & John would never allow it.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Mar 7, 2019 16:37:29 GMT
All this talk of just dropping everyone and playing the academy is laughable. Do people just want to watch us get spanked even more?? you would be putting players who are mostly Kent League or Ryman South standard against the likes of Wrexham, Salford, Harrogate, Ebbsfleet, Sutton etc. People think its bad now, but it would be a complete embarrassment when we concede 70-80 goals in them last 11 games. It would effectively be throwing games because we would be dropping a whole squad of players who aren't even injured for players of a lot lower standard......Couldn't see the league, the fa or the teams challenging for promotion or battling relegation being at all happy with us if we went that route. Anyway the owners & John would never allow it. Raymondo - I, and others, aren't suggesting we play ONLY Academy players for goodness sake, but given the pointlessness of the rest of our games this year, we use them - like friendlies - as an opportunity to trial a few of the very best younger players to see if the are the next Joe Pigott or Smokey Gall, or even the next Chris Smalling or Warren Barton - i.e. see if we have any home grown Jake Emburys in our midst who can set the NLS alight. My goodness, if premiership clubs took the negative view towards our younger players as some of the posts on this site Rooney or Rashford would never have played for the first team at Man U!
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Post by Raymondo316 on Mar 7, 2019 16:53:50 GMT
All this talk of just dropping everyone and playing the academy is laughable. Do people just want to watch us get spanked even more?? you would be putting players who are mostly Kent League or Ryman South standard against the likes of Wrexham, Salford, Harrogate, Ebbsfleet, Sutton etc. People think its bad now, but it would be a complete embarrassment when we concede 70-80 goals in them last 11 games. It would effectively be throwing games because we would be dropping a whole squad of players who aren't even injured for players of a lot lower standard......Couldn't see the league, the fa or the teams challenging for promotion or battling relegation being at all happy with us if we went that route. Anyway the owners & John would never allow it. Raymondo - I, and others, aren't suggesting we play ONLY Academy players for goodness sake, but given the pointlessness of the rest of our games this year, we use them - like friendlies - as an opportunity to trial a few of the very best younger players to see if the are the next Joe Pigott or Smokey Gall, or even the next Chris Smalling or Warren Barton - i.e. see if we have any home grown Jake Emburys in our midst who can set the NLS alight. My goodness, if premiership clubs took the negative view towards our younger players as some of the posts on this site Rooney or Rashford would never have played for the first team at Man U! You mentioned Amalozar and Embery as being next year players and then said play the academy with the next year lads. So considering we only have a couple signed up for next season, that would imply playing mostly academy lads. Heck I've seen many people on social media and on here suggesting we ship out all the players and just play the academy lads. Its not having a negative view on the academy its being realistic. We haven't had a player progress and actually become a first team regular in ages. Pretty much all of them end up playing in the Kent League, Ryman South or even giving up football all together when they leave our academy. Throwing them in against the top teams in our league would be like lambs to the slaughter
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Post by toonarmy on Mar 7, 2019 17:19:57 GMT
Its football management politics! Can’t keep everyone happy. John is stuck between the fans who want players blindfolded and shot, the players who he has to see most of the week and the owners who are his boss and just want this season over! The interview is as cutting as it possibly could be towards the players. He also doesn’t want to commit to playing academy lads as he probably believes this would be giving away too much to the teams we have yet to play. I suspect every team who have us to play have already added three points to their expected quoter. I think we should forego the blindfolds
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