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Post by swampy on Feb 20, 2019 12:19:57 GMT
Not so much a matter of who we'd liked to keep, as who would want to stay. Plus, can we still afford the 'full time' model we have at the moment. There is now a real gulf in ability between NL and NLS, largely down to money on offer. However, there is real ability in the NLS and below, in those players like Mills and Flisher who do not want to give up their day jobs. I would rather pay to watch their ilk than the 'so called professional journeymen' any day. Seems we definitely have Walton, Lewington and Amalozor next season and am sure they would prosper in the NLS. Indeed, Lewington (a couple of dodgy kicks aside), looked the most confident of our seven keepers, apart from maybe Smith. At 30, he should only now be approaching his peak as a keeper and could have 5-10 years still in the tank. You'd think JS would want to try and keep those he has brought in, plus WDH, Wishart and maybe McLennan. Cassidy will move on as will Turgott. Not sure I'd keep any of the rest. They have had their chances and come up short. Plus there is a need to get rid of the negative attitudes that must now permeate the dressing room. As has already been said, you'd think there will be ambitious part timers who would relish the chance of a season or two at the Gallagher. Big crowds, nice facilities. Potentially. First though, we need to learn to play football again and that ain't going to happen this season. Great post. No ones said anything yet about whether we would go part-time again or not. Will we go back to part-time? Is that what JS, HH and even SW are expecting? Are we even really properly full-time now? I agree that after the worst season for years with professional journeymen I'd rather watch ambitious part-timers like the Millsys, Frannies and Flishes who actually enjoy playing. Shame it will be against the kind of teams that are in NLS and no more Wrexhams or Hartlepools or Chesterfields, but at least we may see some good football and actually win at the Gallagher. I think its unanimous on these forums that Lewington needs to be No1. Come on Chris! The question was asked about staying Full Time at the meet John Still evening. To which John replied that he would expect that to be the case. Obviously would have been talked about before he took the job. Indeed I believe Terry and Oliver have both mentioned on Stones live chat that next year's budget has already been set regardless of what league we are in.
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Post by butlerisalegend on Feb 20, 2019 12:22:08 GMT
I keep hearing comments like we need to clear out players now etc but how 🤷🏼♂️ Players on contract aren’t just going to leave and most loan agreements don’t just allow you to return them early!!
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Post by Better things to do in life on Feb 20, 2019 12:24:49 GMT
Great post. No ones said anything yet about whether we would go part-time again or not. Will we go back to part-time? Is that what JS, HH and even SW are expecting? Are we even really properly full-time now? I agree that after the worst season for years with professional journeymen I'd rather watch ambitious part-timers like the Millsys, Frannies and Flishes who actually enjoy playing. Shame it will be against the kind of teams that are in NLS and no more Wrexhams or Hartlepools or Chesterfields, but at least we may see some good football and actually win at the Gallagher. I think its unanimous on these forums that Lewington needs to be No1. Come on Chris! The question was asked about staying Full Time at the meet John Still evening. To which John replied that he would expect that to be the case. Obviously would have been talked about before he took the job. Indeed I believe Terry and Oliver have both mentioned on Stones live chat that next year's budget has already been set regardless of what league we are in. Thanks Swampy I didn't know that. Mmmmmm. Full time in NLS? What sort of player is that going to attract? Old or failed full timers who cant cut it anymore in NL? Not good. At least with falling out of the Non-League "Premiership" I thought that we could get back to some good old semi-pro passionate football. If we stay full time do we face another year with passionless journeymen here just to pull a wage? I really, really, really hope not!
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Post by butlerisalegend on Feb 20, 2019 12:26:06 GMT
Not so much a matter of who we'd liked to keep, as who would want to stay. Plus, can we still afford the 'full time' model we have at the moment. There is now a real gulf in ability between NL and NLS, largely down to money on offer. However, there is real ability in the NLS and below, in those players like Mills and Flisher who do not want to give up their day jobs. I would rather pay to watch their ilk than the 'so called professional journeymen' any day. Seems we definitely have Walton, Lewington and Amalozor next season and am sure they would prosper in the NLS. Indeed, Lewington (a couple of dodgy kicks aside), looked the most confident of our seven keepers, apart from maybe Smith. At 30, he should only now be approaching his peak as a keeper and could have 5-10 years still in the tank. You'd think JS would want to try and keep those he has brought in, plus WDH, Wishart and maybe McLennan. Cassidy will move on as will Turgott. Not sure I'd keep any of the rest. They have had their chances and come up short. Plus there is a need to get rid of the negative attitudes that must now permeate the dressing room. As has already been said, you'd think there will be ambitious part timers who would relish the chance of a season or two at the Gallagher. Big crowds, nice facilities. Potentially. First though, we need to learn to play football again and that ain't going to happen this season. Who says we have Walton next season? Currently only has contract until end of season.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Feb 20, 2019 12:26:22 GMT
I keep hearing comments like we need to clear out players now etc but how 🤷🏼♂️ Players on contract aren’t just going to leave and most loan agreements don’t just allow you to return them early!! Surely you can still sell contracted players? And try to persuade loaning clubs to take player back early? No?
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Post by butlerisalegend on Feb 20, 2019 12:27:47 GMT
I keep hearing comments like we need to clear out players now etc but how 🤷🏼♂️ Players on contract aren’t just going to leave and most loan agreements don’t just allow you to return them early!! Surely you can still sell contracted players? And try to persuade loaning clubs to take player back early? No? And who is going to pay a fee for current players? Which loanee clubs are going to want to take a heir unwanted players back 🤔
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Post by Better things to do in life on Feb 20, 2019 12:39:09 GMT
Surely you can still sell contracted players? And try to persuade loaning clubs to take player back early? No? And who is going to pay a fee for current players? Which loanee clubs are going to want to take a heir unwanted players back 🤔 1) If Mullings can get taken on by a League 2 club, someone will buy our contracted players. We just need skilful sales pitches by our Management. 2) Clubs who are struggling with results or with injuries/suspensions can be persuaded to take their loanees back. We just need clever sales pitches by our Management.
Surely JS was taken on for his wide experience to do 1) and 2) in his sleep? You cant build a new house on a site with a house already on it without demolishing the old house first. The Clown showed us that - its just his new house was built from loaned bricks and he knocked down a house that needed refurbishment but not total demolition.
Waiting until the end of the season to rebuild is excruciating for fans, wasting time, and maybe wasting money. Once FAT is over, we have NOTHING to play for this year so use the games to build an new NLS team - its just not worth keeping players around who aren't going to be with us next year. Waste of time. Even if they are our best players, unless they commit to NLS, we mutually agree to part company now. Another 12 games with no hope with the existing squad getting beaten every week will drive attendances down - its hope we now need - and a plan. Even Oliver knows we are crap. Lets not stay the same crap for another three months!
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Post by fleetphil on Feb 20, 2019 12:44:34 GMT
I'd like to keep Powell, if we get a decent holding midfielder then i think we could see something special from this lad. What does worry me is not just in the OP but also from the mouths of many fans is how they all want to keep nigh on all the defenders when we've got the joint worst defensive record in the league. We kept thinking that at Fleet. A decent player is going to emerge, but no it didn't happen after almost 3 years. Too many weak parts to his game, a great free kick now and again, but, over a course of a season that isn't enough nowadays. Obviously I haven't seen him play since his move, and I'm only answering this post on past performances. It's still not over yet though lads, and yes I know what your all going to say.
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Post by jdl on Feb 20, 2019 13:05:35 GMT
What does worry me is not just in the OP but also from the mouths of many fans is how they all want to keep nigh on all the defenders when we've got the joint worst defensive record in the league. I reckon your defence starts in midfield, so we need to hire some hard tackling, experienced defensive midfielders to give cover & compete in what is probably a more physical NLS. People like ( younger versions of ) Prestege & Lewis. A reliable Keeper would be a good start as well. "Tackling"? Could you explain this please?
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Post by Better things to do in life on Feb 20, 2019 13:08:56 GMT
I reckon your defence starts in midfield, so we need to hire some hard tackling, experienced defensive midfielders to give cover & compete in what is probably a more physical NLS. People like ( younger versions of ) Prestege & Lewis. A reliable Keeper would be a good start as well. "Tackling"? Could you explain this please? We all know what tackling is but are players don't. If they get injured do they lose money? That would explain it!
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Post by pieman1982 on Feb 20, 2019 14:35:59 GMT
Let’s just think back to our games against NLS teams this season! Did we win any of these games convincingly? I believe not, Woking, Dartford, Oxford City... I believe the gap in the leagues is quite Big, however it just goes to show this squad should be in a league between this one and the NLS, which as we know does not exist.
All our loan players will go I believe. That includes Cassidy who is still on loan.
I want to keep; Lewington WDH Walton Turgott (never going to happen!) Amaluzor (here for 18 months) Coker ( here on contract and good to have on the bench)
The rest thank you very much but goodbye! John Still has more than half an eye on next season in the NLS and I believe he is the best person to completely build a new squad. I also think that he will do that after this season when clubs and players know what’s happening with league places and contracts. As much as I would like to see X Stones players back that would only happen if Still thinks they are suitable and will not sign them to make us happy!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 15:17:35 GMT
As things stand (and assuming teams currently in 2nd win playoffs...) Nat S will look like this next season: Aldershot Town Bath City Billericay Town Braintree Town Chelmsford City Chippenham Town Concord Rangers Dartford Dorking Wanderers Dulwich Hamlet Eastbourne Borough Hampton & Richmond Borough Havant & Waterlooville Hemel Hempstead Town Maidstone United Slough Town St Albans City Taunton Town Truro City Wealdstone Welling United Weymouth
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Post by Better things to do in life on Feb 20, 2019 16:02:12 GMT
As things stand (and assuming teams currently in 2nd win playoffs...) Nat S will look like this next season: Aldershot Town Bath City Billericay Town Braintree Town Chelmsford City Chippenham Town Concord Rangers Dartford Dorking Wanderers Dulwich Hamlet Eastbourne Borough Hampton & Richmond Borough Havant & Waterlooville Hemel Hempstead Town Maidstone United Slough Town St Albans City Taunton Town Truro City Wealdstone Welling United Weymouth
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Post by Better things to do in life on Feb 20, 2019 16:02:53 GMT
As things stand (and assuming teams currently in 2nd win playoffs...) Nat S will look like this next season: Aldershot Town Bath City Billericay Town Braintree Town Chelmsford City Chippenham Town Concord Rangers Dartford Dorking Wanderers Dulwich Hamlet Eastbourne Borough Hampton & Richmond Borough Havant & Waterlooville Hemel Hempstead Town Maidstone United Slough Town St Albans City Taunton Town Truro City Wealdstone Welling United Weymouth Some good teams there and some great matches. Not all bad then!
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Post by Raymondo316 on Feb 20, 2019 17:08:42 GMT
I keep hearing comments like we need to clear out players now etc but how 🤷🏼♂️ Players on contract aren’t just going to leave and most loan agreements don’t just allow you to return them early!! Also we actually have to put out a team for the next 12 games. Shipping out everyone and just playing the youth/reserve team like some people are suggesting would be a terrible idea. People think its bad now, well putting out our youth team and getting thumped 6, 7 or even 8-0 would be way more embarrassing.
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