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Post by Bernie on Feb 22, 2019 21:20:42 GMT
So, top six attendance-wise, bottom third budget-wise.
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Post by Tony G on Feb 22, 2019 21:46:25 GMT
So, top six attendance-wise, bottom third budget-wise. Bottom third sugar daddy-wise ?
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Post by jdl on Feb 22, 2019 22:46:12 GMT
We have the 16th highest player budget in the league! That means 7 sides are currently doing a better job on less money, I assume Braintree are one of those 8 with less to spend. However if you just take a moment to think that if you add all the managers or assistant managers to the caretaker managers and then add the goalkeepers we have used that would be near anough a starting 11 and a bench for a game!! The cost of shirts alone with the player turnover must equal most NLS budgets. I’m sure every decision made this season was done with the best intentions, BUT how many times as a club have we royally ballsed it up! Just a season to forget all round. Looked at another way (if true), this means that 15 teams have a player budget bigger than ours. That's over 60% - nearly two thirds - of the league spending more on players than us. How do we expect to anything more than have a relegation battle each season on those odds? Taking this a little further, I assume that the ex-EFL clubs with the big gates have a much bigger player budget than us: Wrexham Orient Chesterfield Hartlepool Barnet (don't have big gates, but do have parachute payments) Plus those clubs with sugar daddies: Fylde Salford Eastleigh Gateshead Harrogate D&R Dover Fleet And, at a guess, I'd imagine it's Sutton and Boreham Wood who make up the 15 (although I find it hard to believe Solihull have a smaller budget than us). If true, that leaves us in a mini-league of: Solihull Moors Barrow Bromley FC Halifax Town Maidenhead United Havant & Waterlooville Aldershot Town Maidstone United Braintree Town Being second bottom (and perhaps bottom by this time tomorrow) of such a league is truly damming.
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Post by jdl on Feb 22, 2019 22:49:04 GMT
Here's that 'mini-league' by current position:
1 2 Solihull Moors 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 Barrow 12 Bromley 13 14 15 FC Halifax Town 16 17 18 Maidenhead United 19 20 21 Havant & Waterlooville 22 Aldershot Town 23 Maidstone United 24 Braintree Town
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Post by jdl on Feb 22, 2019 22:52:48 GMT
And by average gates:
1189 Solihull Moors 1286 Barrow 1418 Bromley 1600 FC Halifax Town 1355 Maidenhead United 1321 Havant & Waterlooville 1779 Aldershot Town 2226 Maidstone United 732 Braintree Town
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Post by Raymondo316 on Feb 23, 2019 0:59:05 GMT
I'd class Solihull as bankrolled they have some serious money behind them.
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Post by sword65 on Feb 23, 2019 2:50:35 GMT
Looked at another way (if true), this means that 15 teams have a player budget bigger than ours. That's over 60% - nearly two thirds - of the league spending more on players than us. How do we expect to anything more than have a relegation battle each season on those odds? Taking this a little further, I assume that the ex-EFL clubs with the big gates have a much bigger player budget than us: Wrexham Orient Chesterfield Hartlepool Barnet (don't have big gates, but do have parachute payments) Plus those clubs with sugar daddies: Fylde Salford Eastleigh Gateshead Harrowgate D&R Dover Fleet And, at a guess, I'd imagine it's Sutton and Boreham Wood who make up the 15 (although I find it hard to believe Solihull have a smaller budget than us). If true, that leaves us in a mini-league of: Solihull Moors Barrow Bromley FC Halifax Town Maidenhead United Havant & Waterlooville Aldershot Town Maidstone United Braintree Town Being second bottom (and perhaps bottom by this time tomorrow) of such a league is truly damming. At least when we go down it will give you time to learn how to spell Harrogate for when we come back up again 🙂
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Post by Bernie on Feb 23, 2019 4:32:00 GMT
Up until recently Barrow were losing £1 million a season. Don't know if that's still the case.
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Post by jdl on Feb 23, 2019 21:55:34 GMT
Another thought - how does Oliver/Terry know how our budget compares to others - do all clubs publish their playng budget figures?
And, while I'm at it - what exactly IS a playing budget? Just wages, or does it take into account buying and selling players? Are the figures isssued by each club (assuming they are) actually directly comparable?
I suspect that our "15th highest budget" claim could tun out to be a guess or perhaps even effectively meaningless.
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Post by Raymondo316 on Feb 23, 2019 22:15:57 GMT
Another thought - how does Oliver/Terry know how our budget compares to others - do all clubs publish their playng budget figures? And, while I'm at it - what exactly IS a playing budget? Just wages, or does it take into account buying and selling players? Are the figures isssued by each club (assuming they are) actually directly comparable? I suspect that our "15th highest budget" claim could tun out to be a guess or perhaps even effectively meaningless. Oliver is on the board of the National League. Considering each team has to let the league know their playing budget just before the season starts, it would be pretty simple for him to find out what everyone is spending.
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Post by jdl on Feb 23, 2019 22:38:15 GMT
Another thought - how does Oliver/Terry know how our budget compares to others - do all clubs publish their playng budget figures? And, while I'm at it - what exactly IS a playing budget? Just wages, or does it take into account buying and selling players? Are the figures isssued by each club (assuming they are) actually directly comparable? I suspect that our "15th highest budget" claim could tun out to be a guess or perhaps even effectively meaningless. Oliver is on the board of the National League. Considering each team has to let the league know their playing budget just before the season starts, it would be pretty simple for him to find out what everyone is spending. Ah ha! Should have thought of that. Still not sure how meaningful that is though. Apart from the question of whether they all mean exactly the same thing (i.e. exactly what is included), is there any requirement that they stick to it, or get into trouble if they exceed it? Or is it just and advisory thing? If so, does it really mean much in terms of judging how much a club hs spent on players? (We, for instance, have presumably exceeded our budget this season - will we get a slap on the wrist or a stiff talking to?)
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Post by Raymondo316 on Feb 23, 2019 22:47:16 GMT
Oliver is on the board of the National League. Considering each team has to let the league know their playing budget just before the season starts, it would be pretty simple for him to find out what everyone is spending. Ah ha! Should have thought of that. Still not sure how meaningful that is though. Apart from the question of whether they all mean exactly the same thing (i.e. exactly what is included), is there any requirement that they stick to it, or get into trouble if they exceed it? Or is it just and advisory thing? If so, does it really mean much in terms of judging how much a club hs spent on players? (We, for instance, have presumably exceeded our budget this season - will we get a slap on the wrist or a stiff talking to?) Nah you don't have to stick to the exact budget. After Chester went belly up midway thru a season about 10 years ago, its something they brought in just to show you have the finances to complete the season. Hereford & Salisbury were kicked out the National league about 4-5 years ago in the summer because they couldn't show they had the money to finish the upcoming season.
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