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Post by pieman1982 on Jan 20, 2019 9:56:32 GMT
When things go wrong it’s human nature to find blame. It started with (he who must not be named) then once the 🤡 took over and promptly made the situation worse the next natural people to blame are the owners. The players seem to side step a lot of blame, but I’m pretty sure all of the above want nothing but success. There has been no deliberate failure, just some poor choices in tactics and recruitment. I would not swap our setup or owners for that of Fleet or Bill&Ricay. Their constant worry that the money will go leaving the club up crap creek is not worth swapping for short term success. If a club has average money in any league it needs all the planets to fall in line to maintain success. I’m pretty sure the National league is our natural level and we will be back at some point. Winning a few games in the NLS next year with a steady squad and a manager with a little experiance and some people skills will be nice COYS
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Post by jdh80 on Jan 20, 2019 10:08:58 GMT
Just got in from a brilliant rock gig only to read the utter rubbish on this thread . We were once again totally inept we had 3 chances in the opening 10 minutes that every other team in this league would have taken and scored but we couldn't. I thought Ross's positioning for goals two and three was so bad that he would be dropped from our under 12's if they were desperate enough to pick him in the first place . I thought Michael Phillips was having a good game and so they took him off and apparently he threw his shirt at Walton and called him something not very nice. Jack Richards once again shafted this time for a forward that no-one has even seen before,just what does JR have to do to get a game. Tajbashsk is appalling, I cannot remember where we got him from but he should be f**king sent back there. Romaine and Robinson could be a great partnership but we don't have the midfield to give them the right balls and the right chances. Overall today was another disjointed performance which gave me no hope for future games , those of you who think we can possibly stay up must surely now realise it is not going to happen. I thought Phillips looked really good today however he did appear to be getting tired hence being subbed, if he has thrown his shirt away then it is understandable he has put in a real shift and we have nothing to show for it they didn't really threaten and we really gifted them three goals. Richards, well this might upset a few but sorry he is not good enough for this level, i don't know how he survived the mass turnover we have had this season and yes i agree that Philpott is no better and not the type of player needed at this level either. The only midfielder we have who is creating anything at the moment is Powell who has looked good the last couple of games. Paxman when he came on was like the Paxman of last season, running around with no purpose no idea where the opponents are and running into trouble or just passing it sidewards or backwards, this is a player many on here claim is our most creative player, not at this level he ain't. We created chances today but failed to convert, then when we gifted them the first goal heads dropped the confidence is still not there. I liked the 3-5-2 formation and think it was positive the problem is we need a big man up alongside Robinson to do the aerial battles and give us a new dimension of attack as the four little men are all too similar in terms of not being able to hold the ball up and play people in.
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Post by 61666 on Jan 20, 2019 10:21:11 GMT
The 3-5-2, to me seems to have been the one where we have done better this season. Can anyone confirm that? If so, have we mainly used it away from home? Clutching at straws and I ain't the manager, but makes you wonder if we should set up the same, home and away, inviting sides to come at us and hitting them on the break? There again we've probably already tried it and failed, as in most things. Another bit of research, don't buy programmes anymore, just how many players have we used this season and how many different defensive/midfield combinations have we tried? Suspect it is a great many - another factor in the overall problem.
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Post by porkystone on Jan 20, 2019 10:50:37 GMT
Another bit of research, don't buy programmes anymore, just how many players have we used this season and how many different defensive/midfield combinations have we tried? Difficult to be precise, but defensive combinations as follows ( ignoring KSC + identifying wing backs a bit tricky ): Twumasi, De Havilland, Finney, McLennan x 3 Twumasi, De Havilland, Wynter, Efete x 3 Twumasi, De Havilland, Finney, Efete x 4 Twumasi, De Havilland, Finney, Efete, Walton x 1 Wilson, De Havilland, Finney, Doyle, Walton x 6 Swain, De Havilland, Finney, Doyle, Walton x 1 Phillips, De Havilland, Finney, McLennan, Walton x 3 Swain, De Havilland, Finney, McLennan, Walton x 1 Phillips, De Havilland, Finney, Wishart, Walton x 1 Phillips, De Havilland, Finney, McLennan x 1 Phillips, Wassmer, Swaine, McLennan Phillips, Walton, McLennan, Wishart x 2 Phillips, Walton, McLennan, ( + 2 wing backs ). Phillips, Swaine, Wassmer, McLennan Phillips, De Havilland, Wassmer, McLennan x 4 Phillips, De Havilland, Swaine, Edobor There, no wonder we're having a shit season !
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Post by pieman1982 on Jan 20, 2019 10:51:39 GMT
The 3-5-2, to me seems to have been the one where we have done better this season. Can anyone confirm that? If so, have we mainly used it away from home? Clutching at straws and I ain't the manager, but makes you wonder if we should set up the same, home and away, inviting sides to come at us and hitting them on the break? There again we've probably already tried it and failed, as in most things. Another bit of research, don't buy programmes anymore, just how many players have we used this season and how many different defensive/midfield combinations have we tried? Suspect it is a great many - another factor in the overall problem. I don’t think we have used the same team twice, I may be wrong. There are two trains of thought on all the changes. If we lose try something else or lose and keep with it until it works! With a tiny squad the second may be the only choice
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Post by daveu on Jan 20, 2019 11:07:02 GMT
Not relegation candidates just yet Nick. Since the Stones seem to be unable to win at "The Dealer's Fortress Gallagher" and the teams away form is far more impressive all we need to do to is win the remaining 9 matches on the road - no worries ? Nice to hear that at least the team are trying to play football again now ! Judging by the post match interview a management change is imminent ? COYMFS This is the one hope that we have - doing better against the better teams, and winning away. We have yet to play Orient, Fylde, Bromley (!), Barnet, Solihull, Wrexham, Fleet, Harrogate and Salford. Win eight of those and we're safe... It's a thin straw to cling to - but the only one we have! Well we won't beat Bromley or Solihull. Our record against both is dire even when Solihull were crap.
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Post by sword65 on Jan 20, 2019 11:47:21 GMT
He can talk to who he likes, the fact that he s put that amount of money should give him that right. During the dark days of 15 years ago when we had no ground and 200 supporters I can assure you he stood with the bread and butter supporters. 15 years ago? I was there but I can assure you he wasn't.
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Post by sword65 on Jan 20, 2019 12:00:09 GMT
He can talk to who he likes, the fact that he s put that amount of money should give him that right. During the dark days of 15 years ago when we had no ground and 200 supporters I can assure you he stood with the bread and butter supporters. Bang on. Terry was with the few of us at Ashford and never deserted the club. He may have made a mistake appointing Wheeler but his support and massive investment of time and money is why we have a ground and 2000 fans. The richer fans being moaned about are putting a hell of a lot of money into this club too. Yes he was at Ashford but that wasn't 15 years ago . As for the richer fans/sponsors If they are putting money into the club it is for there own self interest not for love of the club. I know several of those that watch from the boxes and all they are interested in is the free food and drink supplied to them that we the MUGS have to pay for. I would just like to see Terry talk to and take a bit more notice of the real fans like your good self and Nigel but are you rich enough for him to bother with. Yes he has invested £2million+ in the club which is why I do not want to see it go to waste maybe he doesn't care if he gets it back or not but I do though why I should care about someone else's money I don't really know
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Post by madeinstone70 on Jan 20, 2019 12:35:02 GMT
Not relegation candidates just yet Nick. Since the Stones seem to be unable to win at "The Dealer's Fortress Gallagher" and the teams away form is far more impressive all we need to do to is win the remaining 9 matches on the road - no worries ? Nice to hear that at least the team are trying to play football again now ! Judging by the post match interview a management change is imminent ? COYMFS This is the one hope that we have - doing better against the better teams, and winning away. We have yet to play Orient, Fylde, Bromley (!), Barnet, Solihull, Wrexham, Fleet, Harrogate and Salford. Win eight of those and we're safe... It's a thin straw to cling to - but the only one we have! I can see only 1 possible win out of those 9 games, and that is Barnet. Being a home match that is probably unlikely as well. 😂
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Post by gromley on Jan 20, 2019 12:35:23 GMT
We were once again totally inept we had 3 chances in the opening 10 minutes that every other team in this league would have taken and scored but we couldn't.Romaine and Robinson could be a great partnership but we don't have the midfield to give them the right balls and the right chances. A bit of a contradiction there surely?
I don't think the forwards can complain too much about the service they received yesterday. Romaine in particular, despite all of his excellent work and application, had a bad day in the important area. - Reminder me of DSY (when he was good).
So it comes back to the old "we need a goal scorer" - Hopefully only a couple of weeks until Blair is back(?) - if it's not too late by then - and I think Philpot is worth another try.
That said I've not been hopeful of us staying up for most of the season - can't say that yesterday changed that view in either direction. But if it were earlier in the season, I'd be looking at yesterday as being "encouraging".
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Post by jdl on Jan 20, 2019 12:48:17 GMT
Bring back Fagg.
Best hair I've ever seen at JWW.
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Post by 61666 on Jan 20, 2019 12:49:19 GMT
Another bit of research, don't buy programmes anymore, just how many players have we used this season and how many different defensive/midfield combinations have we tried? Difficult to be precise, but defensive combinations as follows ( ignoring KSC + identifying wing backs a bit tricky ): Twumasi, De Havilland, Finney, McLennan x 3 Twumasi, De Havilland, Wynter, Efete x 3 Twumasi, De Havilland, Finney, Efete x 4 Twumasi, De Havilland, Finney, Efete, Walton x 1 Wilson, De Havilland, Finney, Doyle, Walton x 6 Swain, De Havilland, Finney, Doyle, Walton x 1 Phillips, De Havilland, Finney, McLennan, Walton x 3 Swain, De Havilland, Finney, McLennan, Walton x 1 Phillips, De Havilland, Finney, Wishart, Walton x 1 Phillips, De Havilland, Finney, McLennan x 1 Phillips, Wassmer, Swaine, McLennan Phillips, Walton, McLennan, Wishart x 2 Phillips, Walton, McLennan, ( + 2 wing backs ). Phillips, Swaine, Wassmer, McLennan Phillips, De Havilland, Wassmer, McLennan x 4 Phillips, De Havilland, Swaine, Edobor There, no wonder we're having a shit season ! Wow, well done. I make that 16 different players in 14 different combinations. 19 when you count the three keepers. And that is just the defence! Some teams can go the whole season on 16 players in their entire team. Shudder to the no where we stand on that. What is does do is show why we make so many mistakes, because simply do not have a settled back four/midfield, indeed team.
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Post by jdl on Jan 20, 2019 12:58:51 GMT
This is the one hope that we have - doing better against the better teams, and winning away. We have yet to play Orient, Fylde, Bromley (!), Barnet, Solihull, Wrexham, Fleet, Harrogate and Salford. Win eight of those and we're safe... It's a thin straw to cling to - but the only one we have! I can see only 1 possible win out of those 9 games, and that is Barnet. Being a home match that is probably unlikely as well. 😂 With our recent record, anything is possible! And football is never predictable - we all know stories of last-minute survivals. My favourite was Carlisle staying up courtesy of a last-minute goal from their on-loan keeper, who only ever played one game for them (but I think they went down the next season, anyway...). But, even so, I can't see us performing anything like the miracles we'll need. I think our only realistic hope is Turgott magically returning on top form and the other relegation candidates all having complete mares - and us winning our last three games (which could well all be 6-pointers). But, on reflection, I'm not sure the word 'realistic' should be anywhere near that sentence... Personally, I've already started looking at the advantages of playing in the NS next season - loads of close away games, lots of decent old-school non-league grounds, less segregation, home wins, GOALS, enjoying my football again, playing DH... What's not to like? The NL can take a flying one. What's so bloody great about it anyway?
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Post by jdl on Jan 20, 2019 12:59:56 GMT
Difficult to be precise, but defensive combinations as follows ( ignoring KSC + identifying wing backs a bit tricky ): Twumasi, De Havilland, Finney, McLennan x 3 Twumasi, De Havilland, Wynter, Efete x 3 Twumasi, De Havilland, Finney, Efete x 4 Twumasi, De Havilland, Finney, Efete, Walton x 1 Wilson, De Havilland, Finney, Doyle, Walton x 6 Swain, De Havilland, Finney, Doyle, Walton x 1 Phillips, De Havilland, Finney, McLennan, Walton x 3 Swain, De Havilland, Finney, McLennan, Walton x 1 Phillips, De Havilland, Finney, Wishart, Walton x 1 Phillips, De Havilland, Finney, McLennan x 1 Phillips, Wassmer, Swaine, McLennan Phillips, Walton, McLennan, Wishart x 2 Phillips, Walton, McLennan, ( + 2 wing backs ). Phillips, Swaine, Wassmer, McLennan Phillips, De Havilland, Wassmer, McLennan x 4 Phillips, De Havilland, Swaine, Edobor There, no wonder we're having a shit season ! Wow, well done. I make that 16 different players in 14 different combinations. 19 when you count the three keepers. And that is just the defence! Some teams can go the whole season on 16 players in their entire team. Shudder to the no where we stand on that. What is does do is show why we make so many mistakes, because simply do not have a settled back four/midfield, indeed team. Now that's REAL stats! Respect!
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