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Post by pedant on Jan 4, 2019 15:13:29 GMT
Can't shake the feeling that most of the 'report' (got told off last time for calling the Harry KM article an 'interview') fits into the same category as the alleged words from Harry in the KM and Bill's blog. The category of "you may be right but probably inadvised to say it out loud".
I'd query daveu's "honest and informative" and Raymondo316's "I'm just saying it as it is !". I respect their opinions - honestly, I do - but that's what they are, opinions. We'll probably never know for certain.
In my opinion managers are best served by their deeds and games won (or not lost!) rather than words relayed in the local rag.
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Post by toonarmy on Jan 4, 2019 15:24:25 GMT
not quite sure this interview should have seen the light of day, whilst I have no love for HW this comes across as quite cringe worthy. some of the comments also don't sit right with me especially the following
"We kept rolling the dice and literally changed it as many different ways as we could and we didn’t find a winning formula"
"I was part of what went on so I’m not immune to it and I’m sure certain people felt 'well, he was with Harry, he should go as well'
"But I said right from the off, I’m not a yes man, I have my own opinions on how the game should be played"
"As an assistant your job is to back the manager in public. Whoever you work for, you have to do that"
"I would always put my opinion forward but it’s easy for me to say my opinion would have been right"
"On another day, Harry's opinion might have been right." in my humble opinion this is a another example of us shooting ourselves in the foot and in all honesty he should have walked as well
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Post by Raymondo316 on Jan 4, 2019 15:24:44 GMT
Me personally I've just always thought the assistant should go with the manager if he's fired. They have been working together as a team so surely hes just as much a part of the problem as the manager?? So If Harry wasn't listening to him like claimed, what exactly was Tristan doing for the last 2-3 months?? Sounds like a massive shambles where the coaches and manager didn't agree with each other.
If true its no surprise we are in the mess we currently are.
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Post by jakeyboi on Jan 4, 2019 15:35:51 GMT
Without wanting to be classed as a pessimist I have to agree with Raymondo, Tristan was HW number2 he formed part of the "dream team" so he should of taken the flak like HW there,s that old saying. Stand Together Die Together..
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Post by jdl on Jan 4, 2019 15:44:56 GMT
Interesting parallels at West Ham. Billy Bonds appointed manager, Harry Redknapp brought in as his number 2, Bonds then moved upstairs, Harry takes over as manager. Bonds (and many WH fans) regard Redknapp as a treacherous bastard. Redknapp goes on to give Hammers some of the best seasons they've ever had.
And there's more...
Redknapp then hastily sacked, because "he can't take us any further", no replacement can be found, so job given to one of the club's coaches (despite him having an appalling record as manager at several other clubs). Next season goes well, but following season is disaster, with relegation and the loss of all WH's best players.
Not saying nuffing, really - just that T&O aren't the first to cock things up disastrously for no real reason. And I doubt they'll be the last.
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Post by daveu on Jan 4, 2019 16:21:36 GMT
Me personally I've just always thought the assistant should go with the manager if he's fired. They have been working together as a team so surely hes just as much a part of the problem as the manager?? So If Harry wasn't listening to him like claimed, what exactly was Tristan doing for the last 2-3 months?? Sounds like a massive shambles where the coaches and manager didn't agree with each other. If true its no surprise we are in the mess we currently are. No point arguing with a closed mind.
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Post by pieman1982 on Jan 4, 2019 16:52:47 GMT
Lewis and Walton are just caretakers like Steve Watt was. They can go at any point. Harry going appeared to happen quite fast. I don’t think Lewis and Walton are being considered as serious candidates for the proper job. I don’t think Walton can do the job without Lewis and vis versa. They are simply plugging a whole in the sinking ship. I’m sure the owners are preying this will work for as long as possible. If they pull off a Miracle and keep us up then I believe they should be given the job full time. The players like them apparently which is half the battle. So we will plug the other wholes in the HMS Stone with loan players and a makeshift management. No player with genuine National league pedigree is going to sign full time for us with our looming religation! A standard year contract would see them playing in the NLS next season. We have been saved by loan signings for the last two seasons, let’s hope Lewis and Walton have the luck of “he who must not been named” in getting them right.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Jan 4, 2019 17:13:21 GMT
Good post from pieman - apart from the bit about more loanees. TL and SW I am sure are not serious candidates for the job full time unless they keep us up and they will need a miracle to do that as we are the club no players want to come to unless its as a disinterested loanee to get a game or two whilst they are treading water with another club, or looking for a permanent move anywhere but than to the Gallagher. That's why I think, just as we are sticking with TL and SW in hope and prayer, we should stick with the players we have, recall our loaners, and minimise loanees coming in so that we can at least have a settled team and squad to battle for points. Its a long shot, but any more revolving door month in month out loanees is destined to fail - giving it your best shot with the pool of players you have - good or bad - may at least give us some interesting moments to cheer for this season. Watching disinterested loanees will only frustrate us when they don't give a monkeys when we go two or three down. If we are going down, lets go down fighting with players we recognise every week!
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Post by dave on Jan 4, 2019 17:18:07 GMT
You can't make this up can you . The word snake springs to mind. this Lewis guy has been with wheeler for the last 4/5 years and he is having chats with his boss telling him to quit. And I bet you he was saying he would come with him . Eyeying the job up himself There is no loyalty in football is there. I hope the owners do the right thing and get anything left associated withwheeler out of the building . This Lewis guy is already proving he is a snake and stabbed his best mate in the back . If Lewis is appointed it's going be a grave mistake same as wheeler nothing will change . this guy has the same sales book as wheeler but is saying the tight things that the owners and supporters want to hear . no managerial experience of any sort what so ever will be bigger mistake than wheeler Get an experienced manager in asap . who we can trust and who the players can trust
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Post by dave on Jan 4, 2019 17:24:17 GMT
You really don't have anything good to say about anyone do you. Personally I admire Tristan's honesty, and his guts in telling his mate it wasn't working out because he risked losing his own job as well. I have no sympathy for Harry, he got what his performance deserved and if Tristan doesn't turn it around he'll go the same way. Im just saying it how it is!! Harry brought Tristan into the club and this is how Tristan treats a so called mate?? sorry but I agree with Rob Swaine on this one it comes across as a snake move. You expect some loyalty and backing from your assistant/friend not for them to stab you in the back. Bang on 100 put right raymondo. Snake ......
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Post by nws on Jan 4, 2019 17:36:57 GMT
Lewis and Walton are just caretakers like Steve Watt was. They can go at any point. Harry going appeared to happen quite fast. I don’t think Lewis and Walton are being considered as serious candidates for the proper job. I don’t think Walton can do the job without Lewis and vis versa. They are simply plugging a whole in the sinking ship. I’m sure the owners are preying this will work for as long as possible. If they pull off a Miracle and keep us up then I believe they should be given the job full time. The players like them apparently which is half the battle. So we will plug the other wholes in the HMS Stone with loan players and a makeshift management. No player with genuine National league pedigree is going to sign full time for us with our looming religation! A standard year contract would see them playing in the NLS next season. We have been saved by loan signings for the last two seasons, let’s hope Lewis and Walton have the luck of “ he who must not been named” in getting them right. Please note that some members of the board (and I say members in the widest possible sense) may get confused and think I have been manager at some point.
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Post by nws on Jan 4, 2019 17:38:16 GMT
Even your friends are entitled to tell you when you're screwing up. In fact it's their duty as a friend to tell you. Besides, whatever Tristan said Harry didn't need to act on it, and it wasn't ultimately down to Tristan that Harry left the club. Unless you're privy to their private conversation you have no idea what was said, or how it was handled, so you're just making stuff up out of thin air to fuel yet another aggressively negative rant. You and nws must be very close friends then! He doesn't accept the part of the equation where he listens though!
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Post by Sennockian69 on Jan 5, 2019 2:54:25 GMT
Im just saying it how it is!! Harry brought Tristan into the club and this is how Tristan treats a so called mate?? sorry but I agree with Rob Swaine on this one it comes across as a snake move. You expect some loyalty and backing from your assistant/friend not for them to stab you in the back. Bang on 100 put right raymondo. Snake ...... Dave - Please reveal the real reasons for your animus with HW and by logical extension TL. Your hostility towards them is off the scale. Did they steal your lover or not greet you when they walked past you?
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Post by hongkongstone on Jan 5, 2019 5:08:00 GMT
Interesting parallels at West Ham. Billy Bonds appointed manager, Harry Redknapp brought in as his number 2, Bonds then moved upstairs, Harry takes over as manager. Bonds (and many WH fans) regard Redknapp as a treacherous bastard. Redknapp goes on to give Hammers some of the best seasons they've ever had. And there's more... Redknapp then hastily sacked, because "he can't take us any further", no replacement can be found, so job given to one of the club's coaches (despite him having an appalling record as manager at several other clubs). Next season goes well, but following season is disaster, with relegation and the loss of all WH's best players. Not saying nuffing, really - just that T&O aren't the first to cock things up disastrously for no real reason. And I doubt they'll be the last. And didn't Peter Taylor stay as manager of Brighton for 2 years after Clough quit? They had already been together at Hartlepool & Derby and then worked together again at Forest afterwards.
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Post by dave on Jan 5, 2019 7:39:31 GMT
Bang on 100 put right raymondo. Snake ...... Dave - Please reveal the real reasons for your animus with HW and by logical extension TL. Your hostility towards them is off the scale. Did they steal your lover or not greet you when they walked past you? Mate are you really that thick ?? Hostilty yes for a reason for one HW has ruined what chances this great club has of staying up.( And I also no of his past which I have said I won't delve in to ) . no 2 we now have his best buddy for the last 5 years who has followed him every where coming out in the press saying he to,ld him to stand down and is now trying to nick his job. In my eyes that's a snake ? And he has previous . The 2 of them have turned this club in to a laughing stock , and u wonder why I am angry and slag them off Christ wake up mate. This club needs to go back to its values they need a level headed manager that is honest and trustworthy and has the club at heart.... ohhh hold on we had that didn't we before the owners wanted to give us hope . fcking shambles
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