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Post by jdl on Jan 2, 2019 9:10:41 GMT
Failing organisations are usually down to two things. Inadequate management and inadequate personnel. This season, we have both! For all Tristan and Simon's enthusiasm, without better players, we cannot survive. Even a new, experienced manager will not make a difference without key players to fill the gaps. Look back to our first season in the NLP and you'll see it was mid February before we started our relegation saving run. Installing Lewis and Prestege a few weeks early was the foundation to that and we got something like 29 points from 14 games. Is there another midfield pairing out there we can sign? Will Turgott be fit in time to score enough goals? Who knows, but I would certainly get Loza back, we have nothing to lose with him and while we have no striker whatsoever, it has to be worth a try. Agree. I'm doubtful he's the answer, but it would be crazy not to even give him a go. He would be at least a better option on the bench than Richards and Robinson.
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Post by Nick on Jan 2, 2019 9:20:38 GMT
Loza is not the answer but he may be part of it. Seems crazy after all the Wheeler Dealings who destroyed the Stones playing squad as though it was a Demolition Derby. Strengthening the team was needed rather than destroying what we had. We are now critically short of quality players in key positions. Probably 4 new signings essential and quickly.
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Post by Bernie on Jan 2, 2019 9:25:25 GMT
It's something of a minor miracle that over 2700 home fans turn up and pay to watch a game they know we will almost certainly lose. Imagine the attendance if we had half a chance of winning. Assume the current situation is not our fault, not the fault of players doing the best they can, and not the fault of managers working within the confines of the job. That leaves three men to stand up and be counted, then accept they need to change. Maybe a triumvirate is not the best way to run a modern football club.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 9:26:35 GMT
For whatever reasons, we are either not holding on to our best players - be they attack, midfield or defence - while most sides seem to be able to recruit and prosper. Geography an issue, as is money. History too. Once a long term manager leaves, they are rarely replaced effectively first time round. Man Utd after Ferguson, Forest after Clough, etc. I'm still not convinced Wheeler did recruit a decent squad and the concensus that we are short (almost literally) in midfield and attack seems to agree. It's a gamble, but another round of recruitment in management, midfield and attack seems essential if we are to avoid relegation. If so, I fear we are not looking at a quick return. IF, and it's a big if, we win the next couple of games, then the idea of someone like John Still brought in to support Tristan and Simon may have some merit. However, for all they deserve our support, I fear they lack the experience to do well in this league. Are you seriously comparing Jason Dawes to Clough and Ferguson?
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Post by Nick on Jan 2, 2019 9:30:40 GMT
Please dracula do not turn on the owners. We owe them everything. They are human and they made a huge mistake with the Wheeler appointment. They know it as much as you and me. It will be down to Terry and Oliver how we move on. Whatever they decide they deserve our 100% support.
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Post by Bernie on Jan 2, 2019 9:38:44 GMT
I agree with you, but this next decision is crucial. For all his faults, Wheeler was doing exactly what he said he would in the interview, with the full backing of the owners. He moved on a lot of players who weren't up to standard. What he apparently failed to do was bring in better quality or set them up in an effective system. I hope whoever comes in gets closer supervision and support.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 9:47:44 GMT
I’m hoping BW wasn’t a smokescreen as today we looked no different. For all the open training day smiles etc it was literally no different. I’ll wager if we lose on sat TL won’t be here much longer Presumably you've seen Simon Walton's interview on Kent Online, where he says we played some lovely stuff at times and put a very positive spin on the performance
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 9:48:23 GMT
They didn't listen to Bill fist time who says they will listen to him this time. the thought of Bill's fist time is quite scary, I must admit
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Post by sword65 on Jan 2, 2019 9:51:16 GMT
They didn't listen to Bill fist time who says they will listen to him this time. the thought of Bill's fist time is quite scary, I must admit I was gonna put it right but I couldn't be r-sed.
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Post by bear5 on Jan 2, 2019 10:02:36 GMT
When JS got Lewis, Prestedge, DSY and Pigott two seasons ago, they effectively pulled the club around. However, at the same time, the back four and GK (Worgan, Seth, Coyle, Lokko and Mills) had, other than Seth, been there all season and so there was some continuity and spirit in the side.
This time though, HW tearing it all up and throwing in new players and formations all the time means bringing new players into a side that hasn't had any shape or continuity. Difficult at present to see how it can be pulled around.
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Post by Tstone on Jan 2, 2019 10:15:25 GMT
Without a regular goal scorer, we are relegated. It really is as simple as that. The rest of it is just rearranging the deckchairs. ...re-arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.
Waiter, more ice for my whisky!
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Post by 61666 on Jan 2, 2019 10:43:55 GMT
For whatever reasons, we are either not holding on to our best players - be they attack, midfield or defence - while most sides seem to be able to recruit and prosper. Geography an issue, as is money. History too. Once a long term manager leaves, they are rarely replaced effectively first time round. Man Utd after Ferguson, Forest after Clough, etc. I'm still not convinced Wheeler did recruit a decent squad and the concensus that we are short (almost literally) in midfield and attack seems to agree. It's a gamble, but another round of recruitment in management, midfield and attack seems essential if we are to avoid relegation. If so, I fear we are not looking at a quick return. IF, and it's a big if, we win the next couple of games, then the idea of someone like John Still brought in to support Tristan and Simon may have some merit. However, for all they deserve our support, I fear they lack the experience to do well in this league. Are you seriously comparing Jason Dawes to Clough and Ferguson?
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Post by 61666 on Jan 2, 2019 10:44:57 GMT
Read the post. The comment was related to the aftermath of any long term manager, not anyone specific.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Jan 2, 2019 10:46:51 GMT
Its not over until the Fat Lady sings.......however, whilst our % chance of staying up is less than it is for going down, its not the Titanic just yet. As JS made 3-4 crucial changes to keep us up, we have to pray that TL and SW can do the same. They are certainly the right people for gelling and encouraging a team together quickly, it all hinges on who they get in - especially striker-wise - and how tactically they can improve.............which is why this thread is calling on Bill to be a hands on Director of Football to assist!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 10:52:09 GMT
Read the post. The comment was related to the aftermath of any long term manager, not anyone specific. So YES you were comparing Jason Dawes' departure to those of Cloughie and Fergie.
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