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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 9:40:38 GMT
Chris Kinnear or Pennock would be my bet I can't see Kinnear wanting to do it right now. he is nearing retirement as a teacher, so maybe in the summer, if we could find someone to tide things over until then. You should be aware though, that for all his success at Dover, he also had a reputation for favouring the long ball. If we want a team that knocks it around and are pleasing on the eye, he probably isn't the solution. |
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Post by La femme de Vic Jobson on Dec 27, 2018 10:12:24 GMT
Chris Kinnear or Pennock would be my bet I can't see Kinnear wanting to do it right now. he is nearing retirement as a teacher, so maybe in the summer, if we could find someone to tide things over until then. You should be aware though, that for all his success at Dover, he also had a reputation for favouring the long ball. If we want a team that knocks it around and are pleasing on the eye, he probably isn't the solution. Right now I'd take Graham Westley. |
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Post by fleetphil on Dec 27, 2018 10:18:35 GMT
Bringing McMahon in would be be no different than Wheeler. The bloke has only ever experienced success by being able to spend silly money on players. It's getting very serious now chaps, but McMahon I don't think would be the answer. Raymondo's post says it all for me about him. Who would be the answer, that I don't know. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but you just have to wonder what would have happened IF Jay had been given longer. You can also understand the reasons why he was sacked. It also seems evident that Wheeler appears to have no clue about any aspect of managing a football club. The other issue of course is change the manager, he'll want his own players in, more money for the owners to fork out, how deep is the money pit.? |
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Post by pwoodstone on Dec 27, 2018 10:26:47 GMT
Bringing McMahon in would be be no different than Wheeler. The bloke has only ever experienced success by being able to spend silly money on players. It's getting very serious now chaps, but McMahon I don't think would be the answer. Raymondo's post says it all for me about him. Who would be the answer, that I don't know. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but you just have to wonder what would have happened IF Jay had been given longer. You can also understand the reasons why he was sacked. It also seems evident that Wheeler appears to have no clue about any aspect of managing a football club. The other issue of course is change the manager, he'll want his own players in, more money for the owners to fork out, how deep is the money pit.? The whole "should Jay have stayed" question is interesting. We wouldn't be doing any worse that's for true. I still want to know if Jay was backed in the transfer market, or if he just brought in poor players. |
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Post by gromley on Dec 27, 2018 10:42:35 GMT
The other issue of course is change the manager, he'll want his own players in, more money for the owners to fork out, how deep is the money pit.?
I know a few have suggested this, but I don't think it necessarily follows.
It has been said that one thing Harry Wheeler has achieved is to assemble a squad that is better on paper than we had before. (Unfortunately despite the obvious eco argument that, just like bags, paper pitches are more eco friendly than plastic ones, there is little sign that the NL will move on this point).
There's surely no reason that the brief for any new manager should be to operate with predominantly the current squad?
One of the key skills of management (football or elsewhere) is to be able to manage the team, whatever their strengths and weaknesses, to achieve more than the 'sum of parts' would suggest. This is something that HW has not demonstrated.
To me the bigger challenge if bringing someone new in is whether to set the challenge as being solely to keep us up (which to be frank is a massive ask) or with a mind to tackling this year and rebuilding for next whichever league we may be in. If it is the former, then it's not a vastly attractive position and if the latter it is probably not vastly interesting to anyone that wants to manage in the NL.
We may be the greatest football club on the planet, but when it comes to the current managerial position I think many would swipe left without too much thought.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 10:52:01 GMT
I think Jay Saunders had had to carry to heavy a burden for too long. Wheeler has Tristan and a fitness guru to assist. Jay was doing it pretty much on his own. I think he was simply exhausted by it in the end and needed a break. I think he could get this lot playing as an effective team and get us out of jail but I don't think either he or the club could realistically make it work and he would need considerably more assistance than before.
I'm a fan of Jay but doesn't seem plausible to me
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Post by toonarmy on Dec 27, 2018 11:32:46 GMT
It's getting very serious now chaps, but McMahon I don't think would be the answer. Raymondo's post says it all for me about him. Who would be the answer, that I don't know. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but you just have to wonder what would have happened IF Jay had been given longer. You can also understand the reasons why he was sacked. It also seems evident that Wheeler appears to have no clue about any aspect of managing a football club. The other issue of course is change the manager, he'll want his own players in, more money for the owners to fork out, how deep is the money pit.? The whole "should Jay have stayed" question is interesting. We wouldn't be doing any worse that's for true. I still want to know if Jay was backed in the transfer market, or if he just brought in poor players. Did Jay actually select the players at the start of the season or did somebody else do the signing |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 11:46:19 GMT
I do wish people would stop pining for Jay, like he's an ex-girlfriend who you dumped and then realised they were better than what you replaced them with. There were very good reasons for letting him go. We need to go for someone else when Harry departs, as he surely will in the next day or two.
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Post by Carlin on Dec 27, 2018 11:47:51 GMT
Paolo Di Canio or Gus Poyet....🤔
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Post by jakeyboi on Dec 27, 2018 11:50:06 GMT
Paolo Di Canio or Gus Poyet....🤔 Your on some damn good drugs to think up them as candidates |
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Post by rockstar on Dec 27, 2018 11:50:09 GMT
I think Jay Saunders had had to carry to heavy a burden for too long. Wheeler has Tristan and a fitness guru to assist. Jay was doing it pretty much on his own. I think he was simply exhausted by it in the end and needed a break. I think he could get this lot playing as an effective team and get us out of jail but I don't think either he or the club could realistically make it work and he would need considerably more assistance than before. I'm a fan of Jay but doesn't seem plausible to me So what was Southall or Watt bought in to do then? |
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Post by 61666 on Dec 27, 2018 11:50:19 GMT
If we go down, most players will leave anyway. We have a fair few loans, so one or two changes possible for whoever comes in you'd think. We escaped in our first season largely on the strength of Lewis and Prestige, so arguably we need something similar now.
At the moment, going down should not yet be an option. There IS still time to turn it round. Go down though and will we stay full time? Maybe not, so that means yet another new squad. Chances are, most would then not be good enough were we able to quickly get promoted again, so that would mean another new squad after that! Doesn't bear thinking about.
It is shit or bust. We perform the great escape and build again next season. We go down, stay full time, keeping (somehow) most of the current squad and immediately bounce back.
The only alternative, I fear, is to accept that going down could result in several years back in the NLS. Not necessarily the end of the world, but is it what the owners want?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 11:53:24 GMT
I think Jay Saunders had had to carry to heavy a burden for too long. Wheeler has Tristan and a fitness guru to assist. Jay was doing it pretty much on his own. I think he was simply exhausted by it in the end and needed a break. I think he could get this lot playing as an effective team and get us out of jail but I don't think either he or the club could realistically make it work and he would need considerably more assistance than before. I'm a fan of Jay but doesn't seem plausible to me So what was Southall or Watt bought in to do then? I doubt they took as much on as they could have or as other clubs at our level have assistance wise. I'm just pointing out that compared to other clubs our coaching/management staff was not at the same level as managers can expect elsewhere |
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Post by steveh21 on Dec 27, 2018 11:53:32 GMT
If the owners agree to stick with HW it is basically an admission that relegation is Ok. All the players we have are too good for NLS and will leave. That is what makes the current situation so ridiculous. If we had shite players you could understand why we are second bottom and losing to Dover.
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Post by hammerstone on Dec 27, 2018 12:46:43 GMT
I wouldn’t mind Mark Yates. He showed with the Silkmen what you can do and I think he’d be a good pick for those who are available.
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