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Post by daveu on Nov 12, 2018 8:59:29 GMT
Not sure anyone's predicting, or even hoping we will get promoted. Probably the most important word in my post was "if" which you seem to have disregarded.
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Post by sword65 on Nov 12, 2018 9:34:13 GMT
It would seem that people really are missing my point and so I will reiterate it. Grant Smith is a young man 24? Which for a keeper means he hasmaybe 15 years or so before he has to even think of retiring and as such will be hoping to play at the highest level he can and as we have seen already that level is above us. Now someone,forgive me I cannot remember who,said that we should be paying him a premium to keep him at the club now if he was 37 I would expect him to bite your hand off for such an offer but at 24 he still has the majority of his career ahead of him so why would he pledge his future to a club that at THIS TIME can go no further,should O&T go on record and officially state that they would rip up the 3G surface and lay grass then we would have half a chance at keeping him for a while. As for criticizing O&T,well you have me wrong again they have their vision of how things should be done and I am 100% in agreement with them but I don't run the EFL and they do not think that is the way to go therefore my question is will these 2 proud men be willing to admit defeat should we get in a position to go up or will they proudly battle on until the EFL see sense? I have already gone on record to say that I do not want to return to the football league and so for me it does not matter but for the likes of Grant Smith it does.
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Post by Benny on Nov 12, 2018 9:37:44 GMT
Who knows why he signed for us? Who knows what might tempt him to stay? Only one person.
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Post by sword65 on Nov 12, 2018 9:45:05 GMT
Who knows why he signed for us? Who knows what might tempt him to stay? Only one person. Correct and I think all of us have really forgot that he is just on loan and could be called back at any time or even in the new year be lining up against us for yet another loan club. That would confuse the Townenders they wouldn't know whether to slag him off or not.
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Post by jdl on Nov 12, 2018 14:12:09 GMT
Rather distessingly, I find myself in agreement with both the last two posts. I thought Lee was the rock on which Maidstone were built, but the change has been so dramatic since Smith came in. Respect to Lee, not just for his brilliant keeping and all he did for the club, but recognising himself that it was the right time to move on. And I'm also starting to think that 3G isn't a cause worth giving up promotion for - if we get the chance, we should take it, even if that means abandonng the 3G model. It's served us well, but it's not the ultimate answer. I think you are bonkers in thinking we are possible promotion contenders. You're fanciful musings are just that. Fanciful. We are not promotion contenders so your and sword posts are redundant. Where exactly have I ever said that I thought we are promotion contenders?? I have frequently posted the exact opposite, even suggesting that it's virtually impossible for a club in our position to get promoted. In your rush to attack posters, you could at least have the decency to read their posts properly first.
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Post by jdl on Nov 12, 2018 14:16:46 GMT
Good though it was, I think Smith's double save was the sort Worgan also excelled in. However, where Smith is making a real difference is his physical size (Worgan on the small side for a keeper, especially in a league with basketball eligible forwards and centre backs) and especially his distribution. On Saturday, showed he was capable of punting the ball box to box, though most of the time he favours accuracy for distance and kicks well within himself. His kicks are up to 30 metres longer than Worgan's and this buys defenders important seconds to set themselves should the ball come straight back. Let's hope we can keep him until the end of the season. As for the sub plot in this thread - where the club is going - it seems our rapid promotions up to the NLP still have some folk thinking we could launch again. Bluntly, we cannot. This league, and maybe even the one below, are the dividing lines between different ways of operating as a football club. Yes, they can be breached if you have a sugar daddy owner, or are an established club, looking to bounce back. We are neither and unless we suddenly acquire a sugar daddy, are not going to break through any time soon. 1. The ground is not ready 2. The pitch is not suitable 3. Even with Harry's arrival, the infrastructure off the pitch isn't yet good enough either. It is clear how much we have struggled in the last three seasons, mainly because Jay got us promoted ahead of our time/beyond our means. If we did somehow go up to the EFL, then, barring miracles, we would almost certainly drop straight back down again. FGR struggled in their first season as Macc are now. Others will disagree, but for me, we first still need to consolidate. Continue the business model, finish off the ground and in the meantime, do what Sutton have been doing - consistent on the pitch, secure in the upper half of the league and some decent cup runs to bring in more money. Probably a five year plan, staying in this league and building for the future. There is the potential to achieve the same as Burton or Fleetwood and aspire eventually to League One or even the Championship, but it ain't going to happen overnight and even if it does, Maidstone United will be a very different club by then, not necessarily for the better in terms of what long term supporters know and love. As always, an excelent and sane summary.
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Post by sword65 on Nov 12, 2018 14:56:45 GMT
Good though it was, I think Smith's double save was the sort Worgan also excelled in. However, where Smith is making a real difference is his physical size (Worgan on the small side for a keeper, especially in a league with basketball eligible forwards and centre backs) and especially his distribution. On Saturday, showed he was capable of punting the ball box to box, though most of the time he favours accuracy for distance and kicks well within himself. His kicks are up to 30 metres longer than Worgan's and this buys defenders important seconds to set themselves should the ball come straight back. Let's hope we can keep him until the end of the season. As for the sub plot in this thread - where the club is going - it seems our rapid promotions up to the NLP still have some folk thinking we could launch again. Bluntly, we cannot. This league, and maybe even the one below, are the dividing lines between different ways of operating as a football club. Yes, they can be breached if you have a sugar daddy owner, or are an established club, looking to bounce back. We are neither and unless we suddenly acquire a sugar daddy, are not going to break through any time soon. 1. The ground is not ready 2. The pitch is not suitable 3. Even with Harry's arrival, the infrastructure off the pitch isn't yet good enough either. It is clear how much we have struggled in the last three seasons, mainly because Jay got us promoted ahead of our time/beyond our means. If we did somehow go up to the EFL, then, barring miracles, we would almost certainly drop straight back down again. FGR struggled in their first season as Macc are now. Others will disagree, but for me, we first still need to consolidate. Continue the business model, finish off the ground and in the meantime, do what Sutton have been doing - consistent on the pitch, secure in the upper half of the league and some decent cup runs to bring in more money. Probably a five year plan, staying in this league and building for the future. There is the potential to achieve the same as Burton or Fleetwood and aspire eventually to League One or even the Championship, but it ain't going to happen overnight and even if it does, Maidstone United will be a very different club by then, not necessarily for the better in terms of what long term supporters know and love. Oh no!,Not the dreaded ,killer five year plan. I beseech thee all run and hide from the five year plan that has destroyed so many clubs over the years. Malcolm pack your suitcase quickly.
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Post by Nick on Nov 12, 2018 16:46:25 GMT
What's all this about a 5 year plan unless anybody thinks it will influence young Grant Smith one way or another ?
This thread was meant to be all about how good is our new keeper and whether we can hope to retain him a while longer.
Simply not fair to describe Terry and Oliver as obstinate in their support of the 3G playing surface, implying that it may hold the club back.
OK, I accept that the post was not meant as criticism, but - - - - - - .
A few more wins, a strong management team, excellent team spirit and a generous remuneration package, are the more likely factors to influence Grant.
But of course that may not be enough either. Whatever, no need to point the finger at Terry and Oliver or 3G.
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Post by sword65 on Nov 12, 2018 16:57:22 GMT
What's all this about a 5 year plan unless anybody thinks it will influence young Grant Smith one way or another ? This thread was meant to be all about how good is our new keeper and whether we can hope to retain him a while longer. Simply not fair to describe Terry and Oliver as obstinate in their support of the 3G playing surface, implying that it may hold the club back. OK, I accept that the post was not meant as criticism, but - - - - - - . A few more wins, a strong management team, excellent team spirit and a generous remuneration package, are the more likely factors to influence Grant. But of course that may not be enough either. Whatever, no need to point the finger at Terry and Oliver or 3G. [br Ok you win I will go back to being silly as you do not seem to understand what I say when I am being sensible.
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Post by Nick on Nov 12, 2018 18:18:41 GMT
Silly is always very acceptable !
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Post by Sennockian69 on Nov 12, 2018 19:54:28 GMT
I think you are bonkers in thinking we are possible promotion contenders. You're fanciful musings are just that. Fanciful. We are not promotion contenders so your and sword posts are redundant. Where exactly have I ever said that I thought we are promotion contenders?? I have frequently posted the exact opposite, even suggesting that it's virtually impossible for a club in our position to get promoted. In your rush to attack posters, you could at least have the decency to read their posts properly first. When its JDL I go for the jugular.
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Post by jdl on Nov 12, 2018 20:12:54 GMT
Where exactly have I ever said that I thought we are promotion contenders?? I have frequently posted the exact opposite, even suggesting that it's virtually impossible for a club in our position to get promoted. In your rush to attack posters, you could at least have the decency to read their posts properly first. When its JDL I go for the jugular. Why?
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Post by Sennockian69 on Nov 12, 2018 22:35:15 GMT
Because you are wrong so often and post to no point.
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Post by nws on Nov 13, 2018 10:13:29 GMT
Because you are wrong so often and post to no point. In addition, he wants you to read his posts. Jesus wept. That would mean giving up work to wade through pages of tedious, often obvious and/or pointless rubbish. I usually skim read or get to line three and give up because it ain't interesting.
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Post by nws on Nov 13, 2018 10:14:08 GMT
Silly is always very acceptable ! I find you very acceptable, Nick.
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