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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 11:39:17 GMT
That’s how it read, but I didn’t mean to say we were allowed 7 in the Ryaman, it’s just the last time we had a keeper on the bench! In fact he was on the bench every game that season and was never needed, probably why he no longer bothers Jay is probably playing the percentage game. A keeper will get injured eventually, but not very often compared to outfield players. The more outfield players you have on the bench, the more opttions you have to alter formation or make like for like changes etc. You might lose the 3pts for the game if your only keeper is injured, but it is hopefully a one off. At that stage it would more likely be easier to get in a decent replacement keeper fairly quickly, as he knows he's going to get 1st team football rather then warming up the bench.
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Post by jdl on Jan 25, 2018 15:36:22 GMT
"The more outfield players you have on the bench, the more opttions you have to alter formation or make like for like changes etc."
Reading that made me wonder just how effective Jay's use of subs has been. How many games have we won/drawn at the last minute due to bringing on a sub - how many have we lost or drawn when bringing on a sub altered our formation/cohesion and allowed the other side to score a last-minute goal?
I can't even begin to think how much work it would take to produce such stats (and, even then, the conclusions would be wide open to argument), but my gut feel is that, on the whole, bringing on subs hasn't often made much of a positive difference, and has occasionally led to us losing points*.
But then, I almost never agree with any managers' choice of sub or timing, so I could be a tad biased...
(*I'm thinking more of recent times here - in the days of the Olorunda super-sub, or Flish coming on late in the game, subs were a powerful and effective weapon for us - but those days seem long gone.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 18:25:37 GMT
I guess that substituting late in the game when you are losing can smack of desperation, hoping that the subs can make some difference. Although I did think that the late changes made in the recent Dover game did seem inspired with Anderson and Paxman coming on as they combined very well.
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Post by Tstone on Jan 26, 2018 13:58:44 GMT
It worked for Eastleigh last week
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Post by jdl on Jan 26, 2018 19:45:24 GMT
It worked for Eastleigh last week What their No 5 coming on with 20 mins to go and scoring two? But, seriously, of course if you win, you'll put it down to inspired substitutions. But how many games can you really say that, even where it's the sub who scored? It could just be luck, or a goal that would have happened anyway, or a weakness on the other team caused by their substitutions... This is why it would be such a bugger to produce any meaningful statistics on this!
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Post by 61666 on Jan 26, 2018 21:40:11 GMT
It also requires the use of a player with genuine impact and that requires a squad of strength and depth, something that has been rather lacking this season.
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Post by nws on Jan 27, 2018 0:34:36 GMT
It also requires the use of a player with genuine impact and that requires a squad of strength and depth, something that has been rather lacking this season. It has been a point I have made all season. I thought it was barmy when people were getting excited about promotion. You could see that a couple of injuries or departures would put us back to not much above last year. Last year we lacked generals in midfield. Now our problem (IMO) is the lack of organisation at the back and a goalscorer.
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Post by spurstone on Jan 28, 2018 3:54:36 GMT
It also requires the use of a player with genuine impact and that requires a squad of strength and depth, something that has been rather lacking this season. It has been a point I have made all season. I thought it was barmy when people were getting excited about promotion. You could see that a couple of injuries or departures would put us back to not much above last year. Last year we lacked generals in midfield. Now our problem (IMO) is the lack of organisation at the back and a goalscorer. Yup. And both quite critical areas to not quite be on it.
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Post by Nick on Jan 28, 2018 8:01:22 GMT
except our situation is probably a good bit worse than described above can our main problem reasonably be solved by the signing of a single goal-scorer ? how about having a team with a few regular goal scorers, spreading it around ? DSY, Loza, Ter Horst and Wraight are decent players but do they contribute enough goals ? will Jamar ever be the player he was before his injury ? the signing of Andre Coker will hopefully be a step in the right direction but our attacking options still need a pretty major overhaul
and then of course that still leaves our defence to worry about !
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Post by jdl on Jan 28, 2018 12:27:04 GMT
except our situation is probably a good bit worse than described above can our main problem reasonably be solved by the signing of a single goal-scorer ? how about having a team with a few regular goal scorers, spreading it around ? DSY, Loza, Ter Horst and Wraight are decent players but do they contribute enough goals ? will Jamar ever be the player he was before his injury ? the signing of Andre Coker will hopefully be a step in the right direction but our attacking options still need a pretty major overhaul and then of course that still leaves our defence to worry about ! No. 11 Pigott 6 Hines 3 Lewis, Reason, Wynter 2 Anderson, ter Horst, 1 Collins, Finney, Hare, Okuonghae, Paxman, Richards, Sam-Yorke, Wraight
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Post by jdl on Jan 28, 2018 12:29:15 GMT
It has been a point I have made all season. I thought it was barmy when people were getting excited about promotion. You could see that a couple of injuries or departures would put us back to not much above last year. Last year we lacked generals in midfield. Now our problem (IMO) is the lack of organisation at the back and a goalscorer. Yup. And both quite critical areas to not quite be on it. Based on attending how many games?
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Post by Nick on Jan 28, 2018 12:35:00 GMT
except our situation is probably a good bit worse than described above can our main problem reasonably be solved by the signing of a single goal-scorer ? how about having a team with a few regular goal scorers, spreading it around ? DSY, Loza, Ter Horst and Wraight are decent players but do they contribute enough goals ? will Jamar ever be the player he was before his injury ? the signing of Andre Coker will hopefully be a step in the right direction but our attacking options still need a pretty major overhaul and then of course that still leaves our defence to worry about ! No. 11 Pigott 6 Hines 3 Lewis, Reason, Wynter 2 Anderson, ter Horst, 1 Collins, Finney, Hare, Okuonghae, Paxman, Richards, Sam-Yorke, Wraight The question was intended to be rhetorical ! In other words 'asked in order to produce an effect or to make a statement rather than to elicit information'.
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Post by jdl on Jan 28, 2018 12:40:38 GMT
No. 11 Pigott 6 Hines 3 Lewis, Reason, Wynter 2 Anderson, ter Horst, 1 Collins, Finney, Hare, Okuonghae, Paxman, Richards, Sam-Yorke, Wraight The question was intended to be rhetorical ! In other words 'asked in order to produce an effect or to make a statement rather than to elicit information'. A few facts never hurt...
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Post by jdl on Jan 28, 2018 12:56:10 GMT
And here's some more:
Between about this time last year (the York away game) and mid-November, we effectively went on a 33 game run of 17 wins and 10 draws, that netted us 61 points - easily championship form...
But from the Solihull Moors home game(18 Nov) we have haven't won a single game and have got only 6 points from a possible 39.
So what happened in mid-November? Pigs didn't leave, Hines was still here, nobody got injured... We went from champion form to relegation form overnight - why?
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Post by jdl on Jan 28, 2018 12:57:19 GMT
Incidentally, the last game we won before both mid-season collapses was Torquay away.
The Torquay Curse?!
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