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Post by jdl on Aug 24, 2019 20:03:07 GMT
Woking go top with 5 wins out of 6.
How?!
Did they build such a good team last season that they're keeping the momentum going, or was some canny summer buys? And where's the money coming from?!
Fleet finally didn't lose and climbed off the bottom. Oh, hang on, no they didn't. Still bottom. Dear oh dear.
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Post by toonarmy on Aug 24, 2019 20:23:21 GMT
Woking go top with 5 wins out of 6. How?! Did they build such a good team last season that they're keeping the momentum going, or was some canny summer buys? And where's the money coming from?! Fleet finally didn't lose and climbed off the bottom. Oh, hang on, no they didn't. Still bottom. Dear oh dear. Woking are a part time team, so no sudden influx of money
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Post by rockstar on Aug 24, 2019 21:33:19 GMT
Woking go top with 5 wins out of 6. How?! Did they build such a good team last season that they're keeping the momentum going, or was some canny summer buys? And where's the money coming from?! Fleet finally didn't lose and climbed off the bottom. Oh, hang on, no they didn't. Still bottom. Dear oh dear. Woking are a part time team, so no sudden influx of money Didn’t they have a good FA cup run last season. Prob a bit of money from that
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Post by pwoodstone on Aug 24, 2019 22:07:37 GMT
Sean Donnellan played today for Woking and Manny Parry played and scored.
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Post by toonarmy on Aug 25, 2019 7:41:21 GMT
Woking are a part time team, so no sudden influx of money Didn’t they have a good FA cup run last season. Prob a bit of money from that Quite possibly, decent club which is ran the right way
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Post by jdl on Aug 25, 2019 8:05:47 GMT
I'm sure last season or the one before there was talk of them having money problems and possibly losing their ground.
Bearing in mind our much smaller problems and that we both went down, how come we are looking at a year or three in the the NS, then doing our best to survive in the NL, but they storm to promotion in their first year and finish their first month back in the NL top of the table?
And how come they've done all that AND are still part time?!
(Not in any way criticising what our owners/management are doing, I'm perfectly happy with all that - just contrasting it with Woking's 'miraculous' recovery.)
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Post by 61666 on Aug 25, 2019 9:42:45 GMT
Suspect it is the 'newly promoted confidence thing'. Usually happens to one or two promoted clubs and good luck to them. However, like as not, being only part time will gradually wear them down and they could easily be flirting with relegation, come the end of the season. Hope not though, as it would make a change to see an non-moneybags club prosper.
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Post by porkystone on Aug 25, 2019 10:28:52 GMT
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Post by jdl on Aug 25, 2019 10:58:21 GMT
I've often wondered why we don't have something like this, especially with Hamlet's 12th player scheme (or is it 17th player these days?) as an example. Perhaps the reason is that the club doesn't believe it will raise enough to be worth doing? I wasn't around in the wilderness years, so I don't know much about the fundraising from that time, but from what I hear it was pretty impressive, and one of the things that persuaded Oliver to take a chance on us. But the more recent fund raising experience, when the EE stand was built, was pretty underwhelming. There was talk of calling it the supporters' stand if enough was raised, but we got nowhere near that. If that was an accurate example of Stones supporters putting their hands in their pockets for one of the best supported clubs in non-league, then no wonder the club's never considered a 12th man scheme.
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Post by nws on Aug 25, 2019 12:50:23 GMT
I've often wondered why we don't have something like this, especially with Hamlet's 12th player scheme (or is it 17th player these days?) as an example. Perhaps the reason is that the club doesn't believe it will raise enough to be worth doing? I wasn't around in the wilderness years, so I don't know much about the fundraising from that time, but from what I hear it was pretty impressive, and one of the things that persuaded Oliver to take a chance on us. But the more recent fund raising experience, when the EE stand was built, was pretty underwhelming. There was talk of calling it the supporters' stand if enough was raised, but we got nowhere near that. If that was an accurate example of Stones supporters putting their hands in their pockets for one of the best supported clubs in non-league, then no wonder the club's never considered a 12th man scheme. The people still going in the wilderness were very hardcore, I guess. I'm not saying this in some 'it was all so much better then' way. Just pointing out that as the crowd has risen this it does not follow that the sums of money raised will rise in a relative manner because the people being added will be less fervent about the club/team. I recognise that the 'around in wilderness years' : 'caring about the team' comparison might not be a straight line affair however, I suspect it might be a general rule. I also think people may be put off when the overall goals get larger (a bit like ignoring climate change). :
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Post by sword65 on Aug 25, 2019 12:52:44 GMT
Sorry Porky £250 season ticket is all you'll get from me and that could and should be cheaper, but if you want to fund the club by throwing extra wonga at it then be my guest.
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Post by daveu on Aug 25, 2019 14:11:22 GMT
I've often wondered why we don't have something like this, especially with Hamlet's 12th player scheme (or is it 17th player these days?) as an example. Perhaps the reason is that the club doesn't believe it will raise enough to be worth doing? I wasn't around in the wilderness years, so I don't know much about the fundraising from that time, but from what I hear it was pretty impressive, and one of the things that persuaded Oliver to take a chance on us. But the more recent fund raising experience, when the EE stand was built, was pretty underwhelming. There was talk of calling it the supporters' stand if enough was raised, but we got nowhere near that. If that was an accurate example of Stones supporters putting their hands in their pockets for one of the best supported clubs in non-league, then no wonder the club's never considered a 12th man scheme. The people still going in the wilderness were very hardcore, I guess. I'm not saying this in some 'it was all so much better then' way. Just pointing out that as the crowd has risen this it does not follow that the sums of money raised will rise in a relative manner because the people being added will be less fervent about the club/team. I recognise that the 'around in wilderness years' : 'caring about the team' comparison might not be a straight line affair however, I suspect it might be a general rule. I also think people may be put off when the overall goals get larger (a bit like ignoring climate change). : I suspect we don't have as many affluent supporters as some clubs. While Maidstone doesn't really count as a deprived area, I certainly don't think it's up there financially with the likes of Woking. I consider myself comfortably off and am happy to makes one off donations, such as the buy a brick or stand up for the stones campaigns, but I couldn't afford a regular monthly payment.
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Post by shamstone on Aug 25, 2019 17:22:51 GMT
£10 a month daveu. It’s only a pie a week
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Post by jdl on Aug 25, 2019 22:00:18 GMT
Are pies only £2.31?
(standing in for Mr Pedant)
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Post by jdl on Aug 25, 2019 22:32:15 GMT
Bolton given 5pm Tuesday deadline as well. www.theguardian.com/football/2019/aug/24/efl-bury-5pm-tuesday-campbell-takeoverIf you want a full flavour of the shit Bury are in, this is worth a read. They have been insolvent since May (they didn't even play their last game of the season), and have a CVA (agreement with creditors to settle their debts for 25% of what's owed) - as the debt is £4m, that's £1m the new owners have to stump up straight away. Plus around £750,000 owed to players and others. Then there's the £1.75m owed to RCR Holdings, who bought £7m of Bury's debts - RCR Holdings are a company set up two days before the CVA was agreed by the partner of the current owner's daughter. Not to mention a £3.7m mortgage on the Gigg Lane ground, taken out by the previous owner 9 months ago, just before he sold the club for £1. And if that wasn't enough, if the EFL do let Bury stay in L1, they expect to lose £1.5m during the current season. So that's at least £5m the prospective new owners have to prove they've got before the EFL will agree to the club staying in L1. And, once they've found that money (and sorted out the payments for the mortgage on the ground and for the £7m debt bought by RCR Holdings), they then own a club that they know is going to make a thumping great loss each season, and will almost certainly end up relegated at the end of the season - and could easily be playing us in a year or two. Who, in their right minds, would take on all that?
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