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Post by stevecragg on Apr 13, 2014 18:54:23 GMT
Totally backing jay for the long haul turned the club around from near relegation to promo and a cup plus we used to dream about players like worgs and frannie so clearly can attract top players expect more to come and then more success,under jay the days of struggling are gone
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Post by lucky1969 on Apr 13, 2014 19:14:07 GMT
I think your find margate will find there selfs much shorter odds than Maidstone Funny old League so it is so hard to call. i remember Margate being accused of 'buying' the Premier title in the early part of last season, which did not transpire. Not even sure if they made the play-offs. Then earlier this year they brought in a Manager with vast experience and a wealth of contacts. He was recorded on the Ryman League website as looking for automatic promotion this year and being in the Football League within 3 years. At that stage, I naively believed that Margate would be contenders for automatic promotion or, at worst, the playoffs this season, but that is now spectacularly impossible for them to achieve, which leads me to 2 conclusions: 1. Over a 46-game season with transfers in and out of teams throughout almost the entire season, it is nigh on impossible to have any favourites for promotion for next Season at this stage. 2. More importantly, Jay as a inexperienced Manager, has outperformed the man now in charge of Margate in terms of points return over the period, despite the number of players that the Margate Manager has brought in from teams playing in more elevated Leagues.
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Post by exiled on Apr 13, 2014 19:31:54 GMT
Make no mistake Margate will be very competitive next year Brown is a very shrewd manager and taken both Wimbledon and Aldershot through the leagues.Just hope we can keep our better players together with 3 or 4 new additions to our team dont think we will be too far away either. Saunders has done a great job since the club returned to the town and definitely got my backing.
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Post by townendphil on Apr 13, 2014 19:40:14 GMT
Bit embarrassed to have such a stupid few so called fans who can't see how great a bloke jay is to have leading the team to glory (past-present and future) Jay Saunders', Black n Amber Army!!! if I was you I would be embarrassed the way you throw beer around and continuously use the C word at home games Haha on the pitch on the pitch!!! It dose get boring all this blame the management crap . (Oh and I assume that was the 'c' word you were referung to?) Jay is the manager for us right now and will be for next season but we need to not throw it away next year with some none injury prone signings and not thinking we can beat the "lesser" teams and then get spanked. Thamesmead town springs to mind. We will be there or there abouts next season.
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Post by ontheup on Apr 13, 2014 19:43:12 GMT
Given the title of the thread it's probably worth pointing out that the team who are going to win the Ryman Prem this year have had the same manager for almost 20 years.
As for Margate, yes they will be a threat and yes they will throw a lot of money at it, Brown did take Aldershot and Wimbledon through the leagues but they has something money can't buy and that is a large fan base.
Margate is a totally different proposition all together and pure geography wil cause a few problems in attracting players, not to mention playing in front of smaller crowds. Money will talk though
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 19:44:40 GMT
You cannot be serious PMH. Odds on in a field of 24! I'd like to see your odds for the other 23. Tend to agree, but I recall whitehawk being odds on for the south 2 seasons ago
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 19:45:34 GMT
Totally backing jay for the long haul turned the club around from near relegation to promo and a cup plus we used to dream about players like worgs and frannie so clearly can attract top players expect more to come and then more success,under jay the days of struggling are gone Not disagreeing as such but the circumstances are ever so slightly different now
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Post by stevecragg on Apr 13, 2014 20:26:19 GMT
Y r they ant ?
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Post by lucky1969 on Apr 13, 2014 20:33:20 GMT
Make no mistake Margate will be very competitive next year Brown is a very shrewd manager and taken both Wimbledon and Aldershot through the leagues.Just hope we can keep our better players together with 3 or 4 new additions to our team dont think we will be too far away either. Saunders has done a great job since the club returned to the town and definitely got my backing. I don't doubt that for one minute and it would be a huge surprise if they weren't, but until a squad is actually assembled from players wanting to play for the Club rather than just taking the cash, it is pure conjecture that they will be able to maintain any concerted threat to the top of the League. Agree entirely regarding our ability to equally compete if we retain our best players and make the appropriate additions to strengthen
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Post by harryhaddock on Apr 14, 2014 1:57:07 GMT
So Margate have a bit of investment, so what they get 300 on average at home. Let's be clear on what their investment has to make up on revenue we will receive. Firstly for 23 games a season they'll be getting 1500 fans less than us. That's 34500 people through the gate!! Let's call that £250k to allow for the kids who are free. Then there's the renting of our pitch versus their 5 a side centre ours brings in about 200k including clubhouse spend, let's be generous and say their 5 aside centre makes half what we do, that's another 100k. With the difference in fan base we're also selling 6 times the merchandise they do, 6 times the beer they do, 6 times the food they do, probably another 75k on food and drink and 25k on merchandise.
So that's 450k of extra revenue for us per year over them without trying. On top of that there's the greater volume of commercial deals, evening events in the spitfire, renting out the venue etc. We made 200k profit last year so let's not think we'll be behind Margate on the pitch in term of squad investment as I think that's unlikely (how much was Rooney on?). To a player were also a much more attractive proposition; much bigger crowd, better facilities, closer to where most will live. So do I see a mass exodus of the best players in Kent to the coast? No. If we don't make it up this year and with additions to an already strong squad I'd expect us to start with just as short odds as Margate. Jay took the squad quality on considerably last summer and you'll see another step up in quality this year I'm sure as the best players stay and are added to.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 6:57:07 GMT
We had the 4th biggest budget in the league before Margate's "investors" came along, and - whilst you raise some good points and I can see us being higher than that next season - we are talking about a side who are paying 800 quid a week to a bloke who's been injured for weeks and won't feature again until next season.
Yes we've got the lure of the crowds, but let's not kid ourselves that players will always choose that over a part time job that pays £35k a year! (When our highest earners are on half of that)
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Post by pmh on Apr 14, 2014 9:18:00 GMT
No one actually knows what anyone's budget happens to be .
So whoever is spouting off about what Margate or MUFC spend is foolish because they do not know.
I said expectation levels will be higher that's a huge difference between a budget spend.No one else in the league has our income and fan-base,in football at our level those two are linked very closely to success.
All the ingredients for success are there,With the addition of a couple of players next season will show/prove if Jay is the man to lead us on.
id imagine next season Our Budget and Margate's would be very similar.
So Saunders in for the moment.
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Post by allingtonstone on Apr 14, 2014 10:23:39 GMT
I very much doubt our budget will be up with Margates next year when you take into account that we are about to invest around a million quid ?? In a new stand. Though having said that, the base of our squad is strong we need to add two or three quality players. In Midfield for sure Jay is still the man.Of that im sure.
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Post by chippy on Apr 14, 2014 13:15:40 GMT
Jay is the leagues top manager and he is doing a fantastic job for MUFC. The gates are up, we have won the cup and the fans are happy with the amazing footy played by frannie and the lads. Tactically spot on and he should be given a 7 year contract with a 7 year plan, ie to get promotion in that time. If we don't support him, then he will be picked off by some of the bigger clubs, even proper league clubs. And we don't want that.
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Post by materialstwit on Apr 14, 2014 13:35:55 GMT
It's not easy being Jay.
- He's a young manager still learning his trade - The Ryman Premier is a tough league; there are few 'pushovers'; some rivals pay players highly (despite their err, "crowds"); there are some canny rival managers who get their teams to raise their game against us - He's in the midst of a 'new' set-up (...we're only just back home in Maidstone) - We're front and centre of a national 'to-3G-or-not-to-3G' debate - He's had injuries to key players that have clearly unsettled his side - He shoulders the expectations of 1500-2000 regular fans (... some of whom seem to think that big crowds = automatic right to promotion)
And yet... - We've gained one promotion already - We've won the League Cup - We've brought in some terrific players who seem keen to stick around - We're still in with a sniff of making the playoffs (...well, just) - The player 'pipeline'/ Academy is up, running, and exceeding expectations - We're doing much better than the last time we were in the Ryman Premier.
In summary, I'd say Jay is doing a very good job.
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