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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 20:01:09 GMT
Oh and by the way, having worked alongside such player as lionel messi, david beckham, christiano Ronaldo etc etc they all confided to me that they hated plastic pitches but would never be allowed to state it publicly due to sponsorship etc. But you guys know best, better in fact because you have spent ever day of your life for 30 years working on playing surfaces for football, their development and construction maintenance and design.... it's Cristano Ronaldo...I see you worked very close with him.
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Post by groundsman on Jan 29, 2014 20:03:16 GMT
I know sod all about plastic that's why I helped in their development in asia in particular for the code of rugby union. Doesnt explain all the misinformation either you know stuff all or are a pathetic twerp on a windup feel free to choose which. You have not answered how we achieved a result so similar to a top quality grass pitch but with you extensive knowledge could you point me in the direction of a grass pitch that achieves such performance below the Premier League? Again you are taking it that thee ball characteristic tests are gospel and thats that...within our industry they are a laughing stock on any given day I could take you to a number of different sufaces even hard court and get the same marks. Scientific fact does no always carry....for example religion?? In respect to answer your question though there would be at least 70 clubs from the 92 with excellent stats in August and September, around half of that leading up to December and a sharp drop from that in jan/feb/march. Which is in relation to budget, ability and equipment. All of which could be improved easily if clubs were run properly-ie facility/infrastructure/fan experience first-players/ success second
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Post by harryhaddock on Jan 29, 2014 20:07:07 GMT
Doesnt explain all the misinformation either you know stuff all or are a pathetic twerp on a windup feel free to choose which. You have not answered how we achieved a result so similar to a top quality grass pitch but with you extensive knowledge could you point me in the direction of a grass pitch that achieves such performance below the Premier League? Again you are taking it that thee ball characteristic tests are gospel and thats that...within our industry they are a laughing stock on any given day I could take you to a number of different sufaces even hard court and get the same marks. Scientific fact does no always carry....for example religion?? In respect to answer your question though there would be at least 70 clubs from the 92 with excellent stats in August and September, around half of that leading up to December and a sharp drop from that in jan/feb/march. Which is in relation to budget, ability and equipment. All of which could be improved easily if clubs were run properly-ie facility/infrastructure/fan experience first-players/ success second It's not all about science, what about Religion. Wrong forum groundsman, we'll be here all night if we discuss that one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 20:10:19 GMT
Doesnt explain all the misinformation either you know stuff all or are a pathetic twerp on a windup feel free to choose which. You have not answered how we achieved a result so similar to a top quality grass pitch but with you extensive knowledge could you point me in the direction of a grass pitch that achieves such performance below the Premier League? Again you are taking it that thee ball characteristic tests are gospel and thats that...within our industry they are a laughing stock on any given day I could take you to a number of different sufaces even hard court and get the same marks. Scientific fact does no always carry....for example religion?? In respect to answer your question though there would be at least 70 clubs from the 92 with excellent stats in August and September, around half of that leading up to December and a sharp drop from that in jan/feb/march. Which is in relation to budget, ability and equipment. All of which could be improved easily if clubs were run properly-ie facility/infrastructure/fan experience first-players/ success second Yet ours plays consistantly like a top quality grass pitch all season long! Kind of defeated your own arguement there!
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Post by islandstone on Jan 29, 2014 20:10:24 GMT
My religion is Maidstone united, the Gallagher my church.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 20:11:00 GMT
Some Tonbridge fans on their forum seem to think that we re about to ground share with them. If you can't help but have a peek, look out for the balanced views of portsniper and Charlieangel.
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Post by groundsman on Jan 29, 2014 20:12:55 GMT
Groundsman, you may have noticed that we're all singing from the same hymn sheet here and that is because we've seen first hand the quality of the pitch and the benefit to the club and community. Your argument has no weight as we'll continue to support the club regardless of division, in fact misinformed people like yourself will only make us more determined. Trust me when I say this forum is rarely in agreement, but I suppose the fact were all saying the same thing doesn't mean anything against your knowledge. Just remember the fans pay the bills for your work my friend so don't be so quick to dismiss others opinions! I am saying the way football is set up now a club like yourselves can never meet the fans expectations and that goes right up to clubs sat in 6th place in the premier league its all relative. We live in a want everything now not prepared to work for it culture. The saddest thing is you had one of the better natural pitches and you ripped it out because you thought it would benefit you. What is benefit? Survival? Promotion up the leagues until you realise like Yeovil, Fleetwood as just two examples that you are in a league too far.. you have to pay for league one players on crowds of 2000? Yu say the benefit is the community, then build a community centre a stadium is supposed to be an elite arena to aspire to. You must agree with that if nothing else?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 20:13:49 GMT
Some Tonbridge fans on their forum seem to think that we re about to ground share with them. If you can't help but have a peek, look out for the balanced views of portsniper and Charlieangel. Having only been home for a year and a bit and given the endless groundsharing of the past i'd say a groundshare is the least likely option and if it happened I would turn out at the Gallagher to watch the ressies instead
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Post by groundsman on Jan 29, 2014 20:17:01 GMT
Again you are taking it that thee ball characteristic tests are gospel and thats that...within our industry they are a laughing stock on any given day I could take you to a number of different sufaces even hard court and get the same marks. Scientific fact does no always carry....for example religion?? In respect to answer your question though there would be at least 70 clubs from the 92 with excellent stats in August and September, around half of that leading up to December and a sharp drop from that in jan/feb/march. Which is in relation to budget, ability and equipment. All of which could be improved easily if clubs were run properly-ie facility/infrastructure/fan experience first-players/ success second Yet ours plays consistantly like a top quality grass pitch all season long! Kind of defeated your own arguement there! Why? Like I said I can take you to a hard none sports surface and get the same results all year. I don't understand how I have defeated my own argument. I am not rubbishing your plastic carpet, I am saying the testing is not valid if I can get the same results for a ball on a bit of waste ground.
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Post by islandstone on Jan 29, 2014 20:17:11 GMT
Some Tonbridge fans on their forum seem to think that we re about to ground share with them. If you can't help but have a peek, look out for the balanced views of portsniper and Charlieangel. Charlieangel is often a good poster.
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Post by toonarmy on Jan 29, 2014 20:19:47 GMT
Groundsman, you may have noticed that we're all singing from the same hymn sheet here and that is because we've seen first hand the quality of the pitch and the benefit to the club and community. Your argument has no weight as we'll continue to support the club regardless of division, in fact misinformed people like yourself will only make us more determined. Trust me when I say this forum is rarely in agreement, but I suppose the fact were all saying the same thing doesn't mean anything against your knowledge. Just remember the fans pay the bills for your work my friend so don't be so quick to dismiss others opinions! I am saying the way football is set up now a club like yourselves can never meet the fans expectations and that goes right up to clubs sat in 6th place in the premier league its all relative. We live in a want everything now not prepared to work for it culture. The saddest thing is you had one of the better natural pitches and you ripped it out because you thought it would benefit you. What is benefit? Survival? Promotion up the leagues until you realise like Yeovil, Fleetwood as just two examples that you are in a league too far.. you have to pay for league one players on crowds of 2000? Yu say the benefit is the community, then build a community centre a stadium is supposed to be an elite arena to aspire to. You must agree with that if nothing else? You obviously know nothing about Maidstone as if you did you would know full well, the pitch we have is and has only ever been the 3G pitch laid at the Gallagher Stadium, there was no grass to be ripped up, it was a bloody waste ground before we moved in, I have the ultimate faith in Oliver and Terry and back them all the way
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Post by groundsman on Jan 29, 2014 20:20:09 GMT
Some Tonbridge fans on their forum seem to think that we re about to ground share with them. If you can't help but have a peek, look out for the balanced views of portsniper and Charlieangel. And so begins the absorption like I said if you have a stadium in an area that can be used every day and its the nicest stadium why do you need 3 stadiums in the area and so begins the loss of identity and feeling of home. I have seen it happen and its already happening.
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Post by harryhaddock on Jan 29, 2014 20:21:55 GMT
Groundsman, you may have noticed that we're all singing from the same hymn sheet here and that is because we've seen first hand the quality of the pitch and the benefit to the club and community. Your argument has no weight as we'll continue to support the club regardless of division, in fact misinformed people like yourself will only make us more determined. Trust me when I say this forum is rarely in agreement, but I suppose the fact were all saying the same thing doesn't mean anything against your knowledge. Just remember the fans pay the bills for your work my friend so don't be so quick to dismiss others opinions! I am saying the way football is set up now a club like yourselves can never meet the fans expectations and that goes right up to clubs sat in 6th place in the premier league its all relative. We live in a want everything now not prepared to work for it culture. The saddest thing is you had one of the better natural pitches and you ripped it out because you thought it would benefit you. What is benefit? Survival? Promotion up the leagues until you realise like Yeovil, Fleetwood as just two examples that you are in a league too far.. you have to pay for league one players on crowds of 2000? Yu say the benefit is the community, then build a community centre a stadium is supposed to be an elite arena to aspire to. You must agree with that if nothing else? Which pitch did we rip up, do yourself a favour and look into the clubs history first. If there's a club that has worked for it and waited having not had a ground for 20 years it's Maidstone. You're so uninformed it's frightening!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 20:22:10 GMT
Yet ours plays consistantly like a top quality grass pitch all season long! Kind of defeated your own arguement there! Why? Like I said I can take you to a hard none sports surface and get the same results all year. I don't understand how I have defeated my own argument. I am not rubbishing your plastic carpet, I am saying the testing is not valid if I can get the same results for a ball on a bit of waste ground. Then sir given the annual maintenance for our pitch and the fact that it is in no way hard you must be fiddling the figures
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 20:24:57 GMT
Some Tonbridge fans on their forum seem to think that we re about to ground share with them. If you can't help but have a peek, look out for the balanced views of portsniper and Charlieangel. And so begins the absorption like I said if you have a stadium in an area that can be used every day and its the nicest stadium why do you need 3 stadiums in the area and so begins the loss of identity and feeling of home. I have seen it happen and its already happening. Groundsman, as much as you think you have proven a point on this forum, you will NEVER win. So why are you saying a 3G cannot be allowed, you haven't really clarified?
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