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Post by toonarmy on Jan 5, 2013 20:42:39 GMT
I am not sure whether the Rymans have made an error on the attendance at the Dulwich game today but they are showing a crowd of over 4,433 which is impressive as their ground only holds 3000.
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Post by andyc on Jan 5, 2013 20:58:20 GMT
I am not sure whether the Rymans have made an error on the attendance at the Dulwich game today but they are showing a crowd of over 4,433 which is impressive as their ground only holds 3000. 443 according to the twitter
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Post by ipswichstoneden on Jan 5, 2013 21:12:55 GMT
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Post by toonarmy on Jan 5, 2013 22:11:41 GMT
Yes i did think so. i was wondering how we could top that next week against Crawley lol
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Post by jdl on Jan 6, 2013 12:46:48 GMT
They've got our lowest attendance wrong as well - 291! - www.isthmian.co.uk/attendance-tables.phpBut for really weird attendance figures, check out this site: www.footballwebpages.co.uk/isthonesouth/attendancesClick on 'away attendances' and 'maximum attendances' and you get the most pointless statistics ever presented - every team's highest away attendance is when they played us! By the end of the season we are going to be bottom of this table by at least 1,000!!
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Post by jdl on Jan 6, 2013 13:00:53 GMT
Sorry - you don't need to click on 'away attendances' - just pick the 'max' option on that row.
Minimum home attendance is quite interesting too. Nine teams managed to get less than 100 at home, and only Dulwich has a minimum of over 300 (just). Merstham once had a home gate of just 13!
And while I'm at it, I had to miss the Sittingbourne game, so also missed our first league full house, but what I don't understand is how we managed to get a gate 2,291, when our maximum capacity is 2,250 (according to Oliver Ash's blog - I thought it was 2,226?).
I was chatting to one of the staff a few weeks ago when we had nearly 1,800 in the ground and it still didn't look anywhere near really full, and he said the max gate wasn't based on how many the ground could hold, but on its health and safety certificate.
So, two questions: Will the club get into trouble for breaking H&S rules? And, if so, why don't they lie and claim the attendance was 2,226 (or 2,250)? No one would know, after all. In all my years of going to football games, the general opinion of the fans was that the attendance figures were fiddled anyway (especially in cup games, where the away team got a share of the gate!).
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Post by nws on Jan 6, 2013 13:16:49 GMT
Love the board name, JDL
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Post by toonarmy on Jan 6, 2013 13:27:49 GMT
So, two questions: Will the club get into trouble for breaking H&S rules? And, if so, why don't they lie and claim the attendance was 2,226 (or 2,250)? No one would know, after all. In all my years of going to football games, the general opinion of the fans was that the attendance figures were fiddled anyway (especially in cup games, where the away team got a share of the gate!). I don't think the club are that stupid to have broadcasted to the world the attendance of 2291 if it wasn't ok to do so, so i don't think we need to worry
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2013 13:47:59 GMT
Merstham once had a home gate of just 13! That's about as true as the bumper crowd at Dulwich
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2013 15:42:12 GMT
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Post by StonedProf on Jan 6, 2013 18:12:54 GMT
And while I'm at it, I had to miss the Sittingbourne game, so also missed our first league full house, but what I don't understand is how we managed to get a gate 2,291, when our maximum capacity is 2,250 (according to Oliver Ash's blog - I thought it was 2,226?). I was chatting to one of the staff a few weeks ago when we had nearly 1,800 in the ground and it still didn't look anywhere near really full, and he said the max gate wasn't based on how many the ground could hold, but on its health and safety certificate. So, two questions: Will the club get into trouble for breaking H&S rules? And, if so, why don't they lie and claim the attendance was 2,226 (or 2,250)? No one would know, after all. In all my years of going to football games, the general opinion of the fans was that the attendance figures were fiddled anyway (especially in cup games, where the away team got a share of the gate!). There has been discussion of this across a few threads on here, but to reiterate: We had a 2,226 sell-out for the opening game, but we don't know if that figure included all the special guests and officials or whether it was paying customers only. If the latter, then the actual capacity would be higher than 2,226. If we were going to get into trouble, then I doubt the club would have published the figure. According to someone on another forum, the ground capacity is the lowest of four figures: the number of people that can pass through the turnstiles in an hour; the number of people that can be safely held in the ground; the number of people that can exit the ground under normal circumstances (within a certain time limit); and the number of people that can exit the ground in an emergency (within the legally required evacuation time). Of these, I would imagine that the first one is the one holding the capacity down as the ground was designed to hold 3,000. In that case, it would be perfectly safe to let more than 2,226 people in as the ground can hold them and they can get out if needed. However, it would not be safe to sell that many tickets in advance as there would be a crush at the turnstiles. So it may be that we're allowed to let more people in if they happen to turn up on a pay-at-the-gate game (in order to avoid a crush outside, and possibly after consulting police/authorities on the day), but not sell that many tickets for an all-ticket game. Alternatively, it could be that we've got the council to agree a small increase in the capacity since the season began. Or it could be something else that I haven't thought of.
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Post by jdl on Jan 6, 2013 20:54:04 GMT
They've screwed the attendances up all round - the Rangers away fans have caused statistical madness!
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Post by jdl on Jan 6, 2013 20:56:05 GMT
And while I'm at it, I had to miss the Sittingbourne game, so also missed our first league full house, but what I don't understand is how we managed to get a gate 2,291, when our maximum capacity is 2,250 (according to Oliver Ash's blog - I thought it was 2,226?). I was chatting to one of the staff a few weeks ago when we had nearly 1,800 in the ground and it still didn't look anywhere near really full, and he said the max gate wasn't based on how many the ground could hold, but on its health and safety certificate. So, two questions: Will the club get into trouble for breaking H&S rules? And, if so, why don't they lie and claim the attendance was 2,226 (or 2,250)? No one would know, after all. In all my years of going to football games, the general opinion of the fans was that the attendance figures were fiddled anyway (especially in cup games, where the away team got a share of the gate!). There has been discussion of this across a few threads on here, but to reiterate: We had a 2,226 sell-out for the opening game, but we don't know if that figure included all the special guests and officials or whether it was paying customers only. If the latter, then the actual capacity would be higher than 2,226. If we were going to get into trouble, then I doubt the club would have published the figure. According to someone on another forum, the ground capacity is the lowest of four figures: the number of people that can pass through the turnstiles in an hour; the number of people that can be safely held in the ground; the number of people that can exit the ground under normal circumstances (within a certain time limit); and the number of people that can exit the ground in an emergency (within the legally required evacuation time). Of these, I would imagine that the first one is the one holding the capacity down as the ground was designed to hold 3,000. In that case, it would be perfectly safe to let more than 2,226 people in as the ground can hold them and they can get out if needed. However, it would not be safe to sell that many tickets in advance as there would be a crush at the turnstiles. So it may be that we're allowed to let more people in if they happen to turn up on a pay-at-the-gate game (in order to avoid a crush outside, and possibly after consulting police/authorities on the day), but not sell that many tickets for an all-ticket game. Alternatively, it could be that we've got the council to agree a small increase in the capacity since the season began. Or it could be something else that I haven't thought of. Cheers - sound reasonable. Could we be looking at a 3,000 crowd one day?
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Post by buster on Jan 6, 2013 21:05:31 GMT
I can see a potential problem at the end of the season, where there maybe some fans turned away from games. Especially if we need a particular match to win the league or we are in a play off match at home. Will the club see the need to make any games all ticket?
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Post by jdl on Jan 6, 2013 21:24:26 GMT
I can see a potential problem at the end of the season, where there maybe some fans turned away from games. Especially if we need a particular match to win the league or we are in a play off match at home. Will the club see the need to make any games all ticket? If we're getting these sort of gates now, we could easily be well over capacity in the warmer weather and with an 'interesting' run-in, so I guess all ticket is the only option. But how will they sell the tickets? They're not set up to sell them online, so a 'lottery' type system is out, and we don't have enough ST holders to do it that way - nor do we have coupons on the programmes like they did in the old days. So presumably it's going to be queue up and hope a few days before the game? Not fair for those who are at work at the time, or have to travel far. I'd rather they just increased the ground capacity some way (temporary stands/terraces?). I remember a Cup game at Gills years ago against Sheffield Wednesday (Wednesday were a big 1st Div club then!) when they put up a temp stand to increase the capacity just for that game. It was made out of scaffold poles (or appeared to be) and so wobbly that I spent the whole game not daring to move too suddenly in case the whole thing collapsed!
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